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hariskar
12-17-2008, 05:42 AM
So here is my first attempt for calibration for Input 1 (Pioneer DV-600 DVD player).
This is the workflow I followed:
-Set white level (30-35ftL)
-Set black level (IRE100Y*0.65=IRE10Y)
-Gray scale 30, 80 RGB correction
-9G correction

Pioneer PDP-428XD ISF-Night Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 0
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -4
G High: +1
B High: +2
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R +1
10%G +1
10%B +1
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R +1
90%G 0
90%B 0

I used i1 pro with HCFR (dummy guide made it more familiar to me than Calman) and ofcourse ControlCAL.
The whole procedure is a great fun!
ControlCAL run without problems, everything was very easy, thank you for this great program!

Please tell me your opinion and if I could do anything to improve this calibration!

hariskar
12-17-2008, 05:45 AM
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hariskar
12-17-2008, 05:46 AM
And here is bumtious D65 measures...

Turbe
12-17-2008, 08:20 AM
Can you use the ISFccc Posted Settings Format for your Settings (like this example (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=127))? :D

hariskar
12-17-2008, 08:42 AM
I will do, I have to connect my pc to my tv again to see them.

hariskar
12-18-2008, 05:16 AM
I updated my first two posts.
How can I move colors on x and y axis? Only with CMS??

Turbe
12-18-2008, 09:54 AM
The Pioneer's do not have a true/complete CMS.

However, use the CMS Controls but don't move them more than 2/3 either direction....

Also, double check your grayscale again after using the CMS Controls.

hariskar
12-18-2008, 09:57 PM
The Pioneer's do not have a true/complete CMS.

However, use the CMS Controls but don't move them more than 2/3 either direction....

Also, double check your grayscale again after using the CMS Controls.

I tried the "CMS" but it moves color only to one direction, x I think, can I move it to the other too?
Also, as you say, even a single move, destroys my gray scale...

Is my gamma good, or should I try improve it?

How can I calibrate analog tuner A? I just copied my calibration for intput 1 to analog tuner A. Is there a better way?
Thank you for helping!
Even now my settings are better than bumtious D65 hdmi settings.
This weekend I try a calibration with color space 1.

hariskar
12-20-2008, 10:52 PM
Here is my last calibration, please advise me if it is good and if I should try to improve it. I have a great difficulty after I change cms... I can't get the gamma back again...

Is it any diffrence if I put
R High: -4
G High: +1
B High: +2

or
R High: -3
G High: +2
B High: +3

??

Turbe
12-21-2008, 09:48 PM
It's suggested that you adjust the G Highs/Lows as a last resort.. can you try only using RB High/Low Controls.

In regards to CMS, try not moving those more than 2/3 in either direction. btw, what are your CMS Settings?

I see your Color is at 0, how did you arrive at not needed to adjust it?

hariskar
12-22-2008, 01:12 AM
Yesterday I put Color to +3. Delta E for colors became much better.

In HCFR Advanced | Preferences... | References |
it was at Display Gamma (with black compensation) at default, Wolfy advised me to put it to Display Gamma (without black compensation). I did this and my gamma changed a lot at IRE10. I think I have to put gamma point 1 from +1 to 0 for all colors.
I will test again and write here my latest settings.
Thank you for help!

hariskar
12-22-2008, 09:20 PM
Here are the results, Display Gamma (without black compensation) made a big diffrence (improvement).
I wonder if I could do something for green color in cie triangle...
Maybe next steps will be to try to raise Contrast.
Any suggestions?
Thank you!

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 1
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 1
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -4
G High: 0
B High: +2
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

Turbe
12-24-2008, 11:31 AM
Can you also attached screen caps of your ColorHCFR graphs/reports (JPG or PNG Format) since some other applications like CalMAN?

If you do, we can view the graph/report withing the Forum Post.. :D

hariskar
12-24-2008, 11:46 AM
Of course, Merry Christmas!

hariskar
12-24-2008, 11:48 AM
Should I try to correct gamut? I tried today, but, as expected, gamma got worse... I think I should sacrifice gamut and keep gamma as it is.

hariskar
12-25-2008, 07:45 AM
And here are the results after I corrected some colors (unfortunately not green):


Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 0
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 1
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -4
G High: 0
B High: +3
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: -2

Color Management
R: -4
Y: 1
G: 1
C: 1
B: 0
M: 1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

I wonder which settings are better, with corrected colors or not? Which should I keep and imrpove? Thank you!

Turbe
12-27-2008, 10:07 PM
Can you also attached screen caps of your ColorHCFR graphs/reports (JPG or PNG Format) since some other applications like CalMAN?

If you do, we can view the graph/report withing the Forum Post.. :D

:devil:

hariskar
12-27-2008, 10:17 PM
I was doing exactly that as you were writing the message!!

hariskar
12-30-2008, 06:42 AM
Here are my latest Settings. Colors corrected, Pure Cinema to 1. Gamma has an s-shape, how could I correct it?

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 1
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 1
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -5
G High: 0
B High: +3
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: -2

Color Management
R: -4
Y: +1
G: +1
C: +1
B: 0
M: +1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

hariskar
12-30-2008, 06:46 AM
...and some more graphs.

Turbe
12-30-2008, 10:04 PM
-Gray scale 30, 80 RGB correctionInstead of using 2 steps (data points), why not use 11 (10% increments)?

How did you arrive at setting your Color Control at 3?

hariskar
12-30-2008, 10:18 PM
Instead of using 2 steps (data points), why not use 11 (10% increments)?

I do them both. First I use 30/80 to correct colors highs and lows and then make 10% increments measurments.

How did you arrive at setting your Color Control at 3?

Skip to the 100% white window pattern by selecting "10% Grayscale" -> "100% Gray window".
Skip to the 100% Red window pattern by selecting "100% Saturated Colors" -> "100% Red window".
Adjust the colour control on your display until the Y reading is 21% of the 100% white window reading measured earlier.

Also I saw that Delta E was best for all colors using Color +3.
Is it not correct?

Wolfy
01-01-2009, 05:07 PM
I do them both. First I use 30/80 to correct colors highs and lows and then make 10% increments measurments.

Skip to the 100% white window pattern by selecting "10% Grayscale" -> "100% Gray window".
Skip to the 100% Red window pattern by selecting "100% Saturated Colors" -> "100% Red window".
Adjust the colour control on your display until the Y reading is 21% of the 100% white window reading measured earlier.

Also I saw that Delta E was best for all colors using Color +3.
Is it not correct?Both of these methods/workflows are correct with the type of controls and their limitations that Pioneer 428XD offers - IMHO. :)

Wolfy
01-01-2009, 05:26 PM
Here are my latest Settings. Colors corrected, Pure Cinema to 1. Gamma has an s-shape, how could I correct it?I find it very interesting that you would get different color measurement results by changing PureCinema setting. Have you confirmed this change by switching back and forth and retaking measurements?

Results-wise you have very good results and if you are happy with the resulting picture quality I see no reason to sweat the relatively small errors from standard.

From your last results you could try and bump 10% RGB to +1 and carefully watch some dark scenes before and after to see if you notice improved shadow detail. Generally though it has been my experience that the Color Management is best left alone as much as possible since Color Space 2 with the 428XDs I have seen thus far have been very close to standard and within human perception (at least mine ;)) and instead focus on grayscale/gamma.

Personally I would go higher contrast for more perceived picture-depth, but like I wrote to you in PM, nobody can tell you what is right for you and if you feel a higher contrast setting makes the resulting picture uncomfortable to watch you are right to lower contrast. Do you have a bias light behind your TV? If not, I highly recommend you getting one, it makes a huge difference to battle eye strain. Unfortunately suitable 6500 K bias lights are hard to come by over here (Europe).

Good luck with your continued efforts. :)

hariskar
01-01-2009, 10:37 PM
I find it very interesting that you would get different color measurement results by changing Pure Cinema setting. Have you confirmed this change by switching back and forth and retaking measurements?

I changed PC and Red High from -4 to -5, so I don't know if gamma changed because of PC. I didn't do a comparison yet.. Also, I don't know if I changed Red High, because I changed Pure Cinema. I can't achieve 100% for all 3 colors, usually it is 100%, 99%, 99%, so maybe I tried something else.

From your last results you could try and bump 10% RGB to +1 and carefully watch some dark scenes before and after to see if you notice improved shadow detail.

Should I believe my sensors measurements at 10% and bump point 1 +1?
I am not sure if my sensor is accurate at 10%...

Personally I would go higher contrast for more perceived picture-depth, but like I wrote to you in PM, nobody can tell you what is right for you and if you feel a higher contrast setting makes the resulting picture uncomfortable to watch you are right to lower contrast. Do you have a bias light behind your TV? If not, I highly recommend you getting one, it makes a huge difference to battle eye strain. Unfortunately suitable 6500 K bias lights are hard to come by over here (Europe).

No bias light. I tried to put contrast to 30 but the picture became unnatural, I didn't have an eye strain, but whites where whiter than they should in dark scenes, they were allmost glowing. Myabe I'll try to raise my contrast less, eg +1 or +2 to see if it is better.

Good luck with your continued efforts. :)

Thank you!

hariskar
01-02-2009, 09:29 PM
I wonder which settings are better, #12 or #19? Which should I keep?
Thank you!

hariskar
01-30-2009, 06:01 AM
I haven't found better settings from the ones I posted in my topic in post #12...
Measures seem fine to my eyes, but I have black crash...
I did not see a reference movie, but in most movies the problem exists.. My gamma is linear and I use Display gamma in HCFR and Power function in Calman. Both targets are 2.2

What should I try to correct this?
In my room there is ambient light, it is not totally dark.
Thank you!

Wolfy
01-30-2009, 04:02 PM
hariskar PM:ed me with some questions so I thought I would copy them in here should there be someone else having similar questions (I hope that's OK with you, hariskar - if not let me or turbe know and it'll be deleted) or if someone wants to take issue with my replies. :)

I haven't found better settings from the ones I posted in my topic in post #12...
Measures seem fine to my eyes, if I compare my gray scale chart it is similar to d-nice for night settings, but I have black crash...
I did not see a reference movie, but in most movies the problem exists.. My gamma is linear and I use Display gamma in HCFR and Power function in Calman. Both targets are 2.2

What should I try to correct this?
In my room there is ambient light, it is not totally dark.
Thank you!How do you know that you have crushed blacks? The shadow detail in the 428XD isn't perfect, but there shouldn't be much of black crush unless your player is screwing around with the gamma. If you can see BTB (Blacker Than Black) and the +2% gray and you have a flat gamma response, then by definition you can't have black crush.

You are not supposed to see every detail very clearly in the shadow details, but if it bothers you a lot you could try and bump the settings +1 step for all RGB 10% in the 9-point controls in ControlCal (don't remember if you have already tried that). Other then that, all I can think of is a better player. I have used the AVSHD 709 disc with my PS3 and I can see down to digital level 18-19 (black = digital 16) so that's pretty good, IMHO.

Good luck!

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If it was the fault of the player, would I have a flat gamma?Well, the i1 Pro and most meters are very poor when it comes to low light performance so you really can't trust the measurements near black. You have to use your eyes like you have done. Obviously it's almost impossible to discern gamma response only by eye so it's a catch 22 when you don't have an expensive meter (or one that performs well enough at such low luminance).

I can see +1 and +2, I don't know about BTB, I'll check it. I see movies and there is no detail in dark hair, clothes etc. All I see is black. Should I enable Blacker than black in the player?Yes, you may have to experiment with the player's settings too (I would not touch controls like brightness, contrast and the like though). Preferably you should see BTB as being passed (note: BTB should not be visible when you have brightness correctly set, only when you raise the black level with the brightness control to check that it is being passed).

I put Contrast from 23 to 25 (about 33ftL) and bumped gamma 10% to +1 for all colors. I think it is better. Do you think my low contrast caused the problem?Yes, it can definitely have an impact since the white level you set with the contrast control also sets the target luminance for the rest of the %stim levels. Lets assume a 2.2 gamma response. At a white level of 120 cd/m^2, the target for 10 %stim level is (0.1^2.2)*120 cd/m^2 = 0.76 cd/m^2. With a white level at 80 cd/m^2 the target now becomes (0.1^2.2)*80 cd/m^2 = 0.5 cd/m^2 or a 34% decrease in luminance at 10 %stim. You can imagine what that does for the steps near black in terms of visibility.

Like I wrote you before, no one can tell you what white level you should have, but there's definitely drawbacks to a low white level, especially with a small display.

If there is ambient light in room what setting should I bump?
Thank you again!Not sure what you are asking here? Correct ambient light should come from behind the TV and should be about 10% of the luminance of the white level. What setting you need to adjust depends on the nature of the ambient light. Everything from a higher brightness, higher contrast and a different gamma target.

PS Should also add that correct ambient light should be close to D65.

venkatesh_m
01-30-2009, 07:32 PM
Hi Hariskar,
Been out of this for a while but I have the same display chain as you. So I will give it a try. For one, the DV-600 does not pass BTB or WTW without the modified firmware from PioneerFAQ. The reason you are probably getting some black crush is most probably due to that. I would suggest you check it out and enable BTB and WTW option before attempting to check your calibration. For one, at a contrast of 32 in my ISF settings, I get a 33ftL for a window of 100%IRE. Do you run the DV-600 direct to the Kuro or does it go through an AV amp? I found some issues with running it thru the Onkyo 875 with the Reon turned on. I will try to post my calibration results using the same display chain.

venkatesh_m
01-30-2009, 07:37 PM
I find it very interesting that you would get different color measurement results by changing PureCinema setting. Have you confirmed this change by switching back and forth and retaking measurements?

Results-wise you have very good results and if you are happy with the resulting picture quality I see no reason to sweat the relatively small errors from standard.

From your last results you could try and bump 10% RGB to +1 and carefully watch some dark scenes before and after to see if you notice improved shadow detail. Generally though it has been my experience that the Color Management is best left alone as much as possible since Color Space 2 with the 428XDs I have seen thus far have been very close to standard and within human perception (at least mine ;)) and instead focus on grayscale/gamma.

Personally I would go higher contrast for more perceived picture-depth, but like I wrote to you in PM, nobody can tell you what is right for you and if you feel a higher contrast setting makes the resulting picture uncomfortable to watch you are right to lower contrast. Do you have a bias light behind your TV? If not, I highly recommend you getting one, it makes a huge difference to battle eye strain. Unfortunately suitable 6500 K bias lights are hard to come by over here (Europe).

Good luck with your continued efforts. :)

Wolfy,

I found the same as well. Changing the PC definately changes the gamma.Sending 480i from the DV-600, PC at Advanced allowed the Kuro to extract 24fps and there was less judder but the brightness fluctuations were too much to bear. This is due to the flawed implementation of reverse telecine algo on the Advanced. Now the best I get is to turn on the Reon on my Onkyo and send a 480i signal from the DV-600. I also have to force the DV-600 to send a RGB signal instead of the YCbCr since the Reon alters the color luminance.

hariskar
01-30-2009, 10:08 PM
PS Should also add that correct ambient light should be close to D65.

By ambient light I mean light from the windows that come from outside. Should I change the gamma formula?

Wolfy
01-31-2009, 02:26 AM
By ambient light I mean light from the windows that come from outside. Should I change the gamma formula?Of course, I was a bit too tired when I replied. I meant a bias light. :D

You should experiment with what's available to you and find the settings that works for you and with ambient light, yes, you want a different gamma response and even an elevated black level (brightness). Setting the black level is all about what you actually see with your eyes so it will be different for ISF-Day vs ISF-Night - if you take the pre-defined gamma profiles (1 through 3) as an example, one would use 1 for nighttime and 3 for daytime (possibly with a higher setting for both brightness and contrast).

Wolfy
01-31-2009, 02:34 AM
Wolfy,

I found the same as well. Changing the PC definately changes the gamma.Sending 480i from the DV-600, PC at Advanced allowed the Kuro to extract 24fps and there was less judder but the brightness fluctuations were too much to bear. This is due to the flawed implementation of reverse telecine algo on the Advanced. Now the best I get is to turn on the Reon on my Onkyo and send a 480i signal from the DV-600. I also have to force the DV-600 to send a RGB signal instead of the YCbCr since the Reon alters the color luminance.What intrigued me was that he seemed to get different color point readings. Different PC settings unfortunately gives different light output, yes. I only use advanced with Blu-ray playback 1080p@24 and for DVD I use my Oppo 983H. Pioneer's PureCinema is so-so when it comes to cadence detection and locking onto that cadence.

hariskar
01-31-2009, 02:39 AM
A lot of options.... I was seeing my flat gamma and thought i am done with gray scale :-(
I have already brightness to +1, I thing if I put it to +2 colors are washed out.
I tried ITU/EBU, but I had to put brightness at +7 to get gamma fall on target (did I do anything wrong?).

Wolfy
01-31-2009, 02:46 AM
Nope, I haven't found any use for the ITU/EBU formula. Power function is the best fit, IMHO.

If colors age getting washed out the black level is definitely too high. Try +2 for the 10 %stim step in the 9-point settings. The 9-point controls are a bit too coarse though os it's difficult to get any fine control over your gamma response.

hariskar
02-01-2009, 07:59 AM
Yes, you may have to experiment with the player's settings too (I would not touch controls like brightness, contrast and the like though).

To enable in Pioneer-600 BTB I have to put players brightness at +1 and contrast at -1, so, should I follow your advise and not touch players brightness and contrast and have my BTB disabled or the opposite?

Preferably you should see BTB as being passed (note: BTB should not be visible when you have brightness correctly set, only when you raise the black level with the brightness control to check that it is being passed).

What is the point of enabling BTB (with the cost of changing Players Brightness and Contrast), if finally we adjust tv Brightness so, that it is not visible?

Thank you!

Wolfy
02-06-2009, 02:07 AM
To enable in Pioneer-600 BTB I have to put players brightness at +1 and contrast at -1, so, should I follow your advise and not touch players brightness and contrast and have my BTB disabled or the opposite?

What is the point of enabling BTB (with the cost of changing Players Brightness and Contrast), if finally we adjust tv Brightness so, that it is not visible?

Thank you!Preservation of WTW through the video chain (player+receiver+processor+display) is much more important than BTB. If you have from a trustworthy source, preferably the maker themselves - i.e. becasue of a design flaw, that the settings above is what is required then you should use that otherwise I wouldn't bother with it. BTB is not that crucial, IMHO.

BTB is part of the dynamic range defined in 8-bit video levels:

1-15 are the BTB video levels
16-235 are the video levels
236-254 are the WTW video levels

(PC levels are 0-255 without any BTB and WTW)

You calibrate BTB to be invisible and +2% (e.g. DVE) to just be visible to know that you have the correct black level set for the video chain. The reason why BTB is important is because the BTB video levels, 1-15, can become visible in actual content due to processing of the signal or the source material itself. So, ideally the entire range should be preserved through the video chain, but it's the end of the world if BTB is not preserved.

hariskar
02-06-2009, 02:17 AM
Thank you! WTW is OK with GetGray patterns and Players brightness +1, contrast -1.

I don't understand something: Is there a difference if a BTB is passed and tv can't show it because we adjust tvs brightness so, not to see BTB OR if we totally disable BTB?

Should I change players Brightness and Contrast to +1 and -1 to enable BTB and WTW or not?

Wolfy
02-06-2009, 08:18 AM
I don't understand something: Is there a difference if a BTB is passed and tv can't show it because we adjust tvs brightness so, not to see BTB OR if we totally disable BTB?Yes, there is a difference. In real content BTB can, and I would add - will, become visible, which means that ideally BTB should be preserved in the video chain. Below I have attached a statistical treatment from Stacey Spears (had it on my HDD, don't remember the original link to a thread on avsforum) showing results from a number of movies and scenes and the difference between passing BTB and WTW vs clipping at levels 16 and 235.

As you can see there is some loss of information if you don't pass BTB which effectively means less than 8-bit reproduction, but it's not like it's a huge loss of bit depth. What this mean practically depends on the equipment in question and the source material. As I said though, I wouldn't lose sleep over this. :)

Should I change players Brightness and Contrast to +1 and -1 to enable BTB and WTW or not?I really can't say. The best you can do is try it and watch some content and then I don't mean watch for a few minutes, I mean live with it for a while. Then try resetting to 0 and again live with it for a while. Whichever setting looks best to you, use that.

hariskar
02-08-2009, 03:10 AM
With enabled BTB and WTW and raised Contrast to 28 (35ftL instead of 30), picture became much better.

Why do the most calibrators put contrast at 30ftL for idf-Night??

hariskar
07-03-2009, 06:32 AM
I stopped using Pioneer DVD player and used Oppo 981. It passes by default BTB and WTW. I calibrated with this and everything is fine now. The picture is great, black levels are great! Thanks a lot for helping me!

orange55
01-31-2010, 03:38 AM
I stopped using Pioneer DVD player and used Oppo 981. It passes by default BTB and WTW. I calibrated with this and everything is fine now. The picture is great, black levels are great! Thanks a lot for helping me!
Are you able to post your final settings as I would be interested to see what you ended up with?

hariskar
04-19-2010, 06:08 AM
The latest settings are:

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 33
Brightness: 0
Color: 2
Tint: 1
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 0
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -5
G High: 0
B High: +3
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0