Pioneer North American KRP-M ISFccc Patch and Display Profiles for ControlCAL

[rolling green]

I'd say give it at least till tonight. Turbe still has to create your activation key and passwords etc.

thanks, I got in touch with him.....still need to take care of something on my end. :o

[gvera]

Wait, just remind me of your Post today :)

OK, will do.
Thanks

[TimV]

So, I got this patch a couple of days ago and I think I've been able to successfully patch my 600M. The reason I say "I think" is because the ISF modes to not show up in my AV Selection menu. Is this normal? If so, do I need to use ControlCAL to use and adjust them? Or, is there a way I can get the modes to show up under the AV Selection menu like they do here:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1868&postcount=1

I think I am accessing the modes using ControlCAL, again but my display still says I am in Pure mode. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.

[Turbe]

Hi Tim,

Yes, now load up ControlCAL and the ISFccc KRP-M Patched Profile (both included and installed with the Package).

Each ISFccc Memory (3 Per Input) must be activated and adjusted (you may not want all for each Input).

See the Step-by-Step Instructions to Activate an ISFccc Memory (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263) - Follow each step and just do one Memory (isf Night or isf Day) to start with.

From this point on, you will be using ControlCAL.

:thumbsup:

[rolling green]

Successful patch here. Thanks for the help Turbe. I get a lot of errors on the console window but it looks like all my settings save ok. Definitely looks like Pure mode on steroids on default settings.

[Turbe]

You will get that on the Monitors when you try to send a Control a value that the Control is already set to.... I'm just logging that info in the Advance Window.

[TimV]

Hi Tim,

Yes, now load up ControlCAL and the ISFccc KRP-M Patched Profile (both included and installed with the Package).

Each ISFccc Memory (3 Per Input) must be activated and adjusted (you may not want all for each Input).

See the Step-by-Step Instructions to Activate an ISFccc Memory (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263) - Follow each step and just do one Memory (isf Night or isf Day) to start with.

From this point on, you will be using ControlCAL.

:thumbsup:

Thanks for the quick response. Just so I get this correct, once I activate the ISF modes according to the link you provided, they will show up under the AV Selection menu and I will be able to access and adjust them using the remote control for the display, as well as ControlCAL. Is this all correct? Thanks again.

[bodosom]

I will be able to access and adjust them using the remote control for the display

Not so much. Part of the ISFccc spec is that the settings are locked and cannot be changed with the remote control.

[Turbe]

You use ControlCAL (and the Profiles) to activate and/or adjust the controls in each ISFccc memory (not the Owner's remote control). Once activated, the selection will show up in the AV Selection List.

You select/use the ISFccc memories with your Owner's remote control (from the AV Selections List).

Thanks for the quick response. Just so I get this correct, once I activate the ISF modes according to the link you provided,

Please just start with 1 ISFccc memory (either isf Night or isf Day) for 1 Input.

[Turbe]

btw Tim, what did you have to do on your Mac to get past that error message?

That info may be useful to others in the future.

:thumbsup:

[TimV]

btw Tim, what did you have to do on your Mac to get past that error message?

That info may be useful to others in the future.

:thumbsup:

I actually gave up on the Mac angle as I was making little progress. I was unable to get any of the network controllers to work (1394 or Cat5) which means I couldn't connect to the internet to update XP or any drivers. I instead had to resurrect an old desktop PC and use it instead, which means I didn't need the USB-Serial adapter after all. Oh well.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Did anyone find out if we patchers can use the ISF web interface?

[bodosom]

Did anyone find out if we patchers can use the ISF web interface?

It works but is of no value other than checking which inputs have been activated.

[(W)KRP]

I plan on getting the patch and activating ISF. Then I will have a professional calibrator tweak my set, including ISF. Is that OK?

[bodosom]

I plan on getting the patch and activating ISF. Then I will have a professional calibrator tweak my set, including ISF. Is that OK?

That's excellent. Despite the professed satisfaction of people copying ISF mode settings I remain unconvinced. Even more so now that I've seen such enormous differences after changing blu-ray players.

I believe at the end of the day I'll get it all sorted out but it's very difficult to make a full set of reasonable adjustments by eye.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

That's excellent. Despite the professed satisfaction of people copying ISF mode settings I remain unconvinced. Even more so now that I've seen such enormous differences after changing blu-ray players.

I believe at the end of the day I'll get it all sorted out but it's very difficult to make a full set of reasonable adjustments by eye.

Changing players? What did you switch from/to? What differences?

[jdbimmer]

Did anyone find out if we patchers can use the ISF web interface?

It works but is of no value other than checking which inputs have been activated. I have to disagree with you on this as I did in the AVSForum thread. (This is like our new DRE debate:)) It works, and it is clumsy and has only a few controls, and while you can create an ISF memory with it, it is best used to tweak and update an existing ControlCal created ISF memory. In order for it to work properly, Internet Explorer is required. IE running on a MAC/Parallels may not work very well. And forget about using Safari, Firefox, Chrome, et al.

[bodosom]

Changing players? What did you switch from/to? What differences?

I have a Sony BDP-S550 and I just got an Oppo BD-83. Assuming I sort out the Oppo issues I'll be selling the Sony. Otherwise I have a month to return the -83.

[bodosom]

I have to disagree with you on this as I did in the AVSForum thread.

I guess it's about how much pain you're willing to accept. Since I have to start Windows to have any hope of success I may as well fire up ControlCAL but I can see that if you have IE running all the time you could ... do something useful. ;)

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I have a Sony BDP-S550 and I just got an Oppo BD-83. Assuming I sort out the Oppo issues I'll be selling the Sony. Otherwise I have a month to return the -83.

Differences?

I use the PS3. If someone were to show me evidence of a player that is superior to the PS3 in PQ I would switch.

[bodosom]

Differences?

I use the PS3. If someone were to show me evidence of a player that is superior to the PS3 in PQ I would switch.

Well it won't play games nearly as well.

For the DIY calibrator using a bd source there are a couple of nice things. It has a pair of USB ports and plays AVCHD so you can run the AVS image from a memory stick. Should you need to adjust the player video output the relevant slider is the only thing on the screen and it's just below the stimulus window.

There's a multi-page -83 vs. the world thread on AVS.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Well it won't play games nearly as well.

There's a multi-page -83 vs. the world thread on AVS.

Is there many or any blu ray players that really differ in PQ? for a fact

[Turbe]

PS3 plays AVCHD, in fact, we use it to watch our recordings from a Sanyo FH1 Full 1080p camera..

The PS3 is pretty neutral (even considered so by most Professionals), what is needed is a Thread (under the Calibration Threads perhaps) to list Specific BR Models and info concerning calibration. SillySally probably has come the closest to this already but he can't cover all Models and options.

[jdbimmer]

Since this has come up lately, I thought it would be helpful to provide a "how-to" for the ISF web interface, with tips and tricks to get it to work correctly:

1. Use Internet Explorer. Do not use Safari, Firefox, Chrome or anything else.
2. Open the ISF page by entering this URL to bypass the password prompt - http://<Your_KRPs_IP>/cgi/isf.cgi - replacing the bracketed text with your KRP's IP address.
3. Select the Input from the drop down list and press the Set button. Do this even if you the KRP is already on that input.
4. Select the ISF Mode (Auto/Day/Night) and press the Set button. The page should refresh and display your current settings. The KRP should display the 2 line on-screen ISF information.
5. Change each setting (contrast, brightness, white balance, etc) one at a time and press the Set button next to the setting after each change. Sometimes the web page will not reflect the change, but the KRP will display that change onscreen. Changing the value on the page again and pressing Set will get things back in sync.
6. When you are done with your changes, press the Save Settings button. The KRP will display the "ISF Calibration Completed" message.
7. Important:To exit the Calibration, press the "Exit Without Save" button - the "Exit" button does not work correctly, but the settings will be saved anyway. The KRP's ISF onscreen display should disappear.
8. Turn off the KRP and turn it back on. Use the web page or ControlCal to verify that the changes were made.

[bodosom]

Is there many or any blu ray players that really differ in PQ? for a fact

This is the wrong thread for this so no more from me here -- but ... the answer is yes. Mainly because of image processing. Don't forget most discs are DVDs and most displays can't do 1080p/24/48/72.

[bodosom]

PS3 plays AVCHD

My bad, I was conflating two threads of response

-83 vs PS3 -- no games (Java doesn't count)
S550 vs -83 -- no AVCHD (and lots of other things).

into a single message.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

This is the wrong thread for this so no more from me here -- but ... the answer is yes. Mainly because of image processing. Don't forget most discs are DVDs and most displays can't do 1080p/24/48/72.

Sorry about going off track.

I have question about my patched 500M though. It may have happened sooner but I've only noticed since the patch. When my 500M is in the process of powering up and receiving signal, it has a black wipe. Its hard to describe any different then that. Basically there is like a black splash that wipes up the screen and then fades away. Asking in this thread because its happened only since the patch.

[bodosom]

It may have happened sooner but I've only noticed since the patch. When my 500M is in the process of powering up and receiving signal, it has a black wipe.

I can't say if it's the same thing but it sounds similar to the normal start-up. The KRP gets darkest (goes to minimal luminance) after the video handshake completes. If that's what you're seeing it was happening before the patch.

[Turbe]

This is the wrong thread for this

I do Thread clean up every so often and I will most likely move some Posts from this Thread (to the Owner's Thread and/or Calibration Thread)....

In fact, this very post will most likely be deleted after clean up :D

[Turbe]

My bad, I was conflating two threads of response


-83 vs PS3 -- no games (Java doesn't count)
S550 vs -83 -- no AVCHD
(and lots of other things).


into a single message.

Of course, I'm OT myself still :oops:

How about one of you starting a Player Thread (in relationship to Calibration and the Pioneers) that can be used to keep track of issues, tips, hints, proper/suggested config for BR Players? Perhaps a new Thread Here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22)

Hopefully SillySally and others will also contribute their experience...

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I can't say if it's the same thing but it sounds similar to the normal start-up. The KRP gets darkest (goes to minimal luminance) after the video handshake completes. If that's what you're seeing it was happening before the patch.

Its not the whole display though and its more of a smear effect. imagine that youre wiping your screen with some cleaning fluid(i dont advise this of course). The part that you wiped with fluid may appear more black and then fade away when it drys. This is what appears to be happening but inside the screen not outside :uhuh:

[jdbimmer]

Mine does exactly what you describe on a cold start-up. I am almost 100% sure that it did it pre-patch as well. Nothing to worry about.

[Turbe]

yes, same here

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Mine does exactly what you describe on a cold start-up. I am almost 100% sure that it did it pre-patch as well. Nothing to worry about.

yes, same here

Its normal then. I should have mentioned that it was only from a cold start. Thank you for clarifying:thumbup:

[5150Joker]

If so, was there anything extra that needed to be done? I think most have used XP so I just want to make sure that Vista 64 doesn't have any quirks associated with it before I go ahead--would hate to have a failed flash and a dead 500M.

Thanks.

[LBDiver]

I tried to patch a KRP-500 today with a laptop running Vista x64 SP2, and the Patcher program would crash and dump upon starting. However I loaded over to another laptop running Win7 x64 and everything worked a charm. This over a serial converter utilizing the Prolific 2032 chip w x64 driver.

[5150Joker]

I tried to patch a KRP-500 today with a laptop running Vista x64 SP2, and the Patcher program would crash and dump upon starting. However I loaded over to another laptop running Win7 x64 and everything worked a charm. This over a serial converter utilizing the Prolific 2032 chip w x64 driver.


Which serial converter? Thanks.

[LBDiver]

Regarding the serial converter, I believe it's a Vantec or something, you know some generic cable manufacturer. Really the base of the converter cable is the chip, which is why I posted it because there are many cables made with the Prolific chip, however i had to search high and low for the x64 driver since it really is a legacy component. If somebody has a 2032 based cable and needs the driver PM and I can host it for you or e-mail it.

[irfan]

amen to that ^!

(W)KRP: you should change your sig dude, I think you need to take another look at it so you know what I mean.

What, "KRP Day" doesnt make any sense to you?!

on track... with the software and activation, am I able to use it on 2 seperate computers, but the same display? I have a laptop with a weak video card and controlcal wont run, so i will rig my desktop to run it with the 600m profile. later whne i upgrade laptops i wll use the laptop. This shouldnt be a concern should it?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

What, "KRP Day" doesnt make any sense to you?!

not sure if I understand why you said anything but his original sig was 'KPR' not 'KRP' so I said he should take a look at it, obviously he changed it.

waste of a post. sorry
:thumbup:

[irfan]

not sure if I understand why you said anything but his original sig was 'KPR' not 'KRP' so I said he should take a look at it, obviously he changed it.

waste of a post. sorry
:thumbup:

Actually I thought you were suggesting that "Diem" meant "Day", so "KRP Diem" doesnt meant "sieze the KRP" it means "KRP day".


Anyways, I patched my KRP-600m today without a hitch, so chalk up another success story.

[(W)KRP]

Anyways, I patched my KRP-600m today without a hitch, so chalk up another success story.
Glad to hear the 600M is doing well. I'll be getting my patch on soon.

PS: My sig is imperfect and yet sooo perfect! :p Ditto for the user name :rolleyes:

[5150Joker]

Glad to hear the 600M is doing well. I'll be getting my patch on soon.

PS: My sig is imperfect and yet sooo perfect! :p Ditto for the user name :rolleyes:


I just ordered the patch as well! Sent off all the relevant paperwork so hopefully I receive my key + cables soon so I can get started!

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Ummm. Did turbe or someone else say that if you're power to your KRP is lost (reset) that the ISF modes would be lost? Cause mine are gone now after I just moved .Do I just have to re-activate them?

[bodosom]

Ummm. Did turbe or someone else say that if you're power to your KRP is lost (reset) that the ISF modes would be lost?

No.

Cause mine are gone now after I just moved .Do I just have to re-activate them?

What do you mean by lost? They no longer appear in the AV Selection menu?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

What do you mean by lost?


I mean it's back to default AV Modes only.

They no longer appear in the AV Selection menu?

Yes. Auto,Day and Night are no longer in the AV selection menu.

I'd like to know what my options are from here or if I'm $hit out of luck

[bodosom]

I mean it's back to default AV Modes only. Auto,Day and Night are no longer listed.

If you select and refresh do you get your old values back?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

If you select and refresh do you get your old values back?

Well I haven't gotten that far. I didn't even want to hook the cables up to the KRP . I just wanted to be sure before i did anything..

[jdbimmer]

Yes. Auto,Day and Night are no longer in the AV selection menu. And you are hooked up to and looking at the same HDMI input that previously held your saved ISF settings? If you saved them to HDMI5 and now you're on HDMI6, they won't be there.

I have had a couple of storm-related power outages here and my ISF modes are still there.

[Turbe]

Ummm. Did turbe or someone else say that if you're power to your KRP is lost (reset) that the ISF modes would be lost? Cause mine are gone now after I just moved .Do I just have to re-activate them?

No.



What do you mean by lost? They no longer appear in the AV Selection menu?

No is the correct answer, they should not be lost on Power Loss including on master Power Switch on back.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

No is the correct answer, they should not be lost on Power Loss including on master Power Switch on back.

Well all i did was turn it off(standby), unplug it and move it to my new house, set it up the same exact same way and now I have no ISF modes.

Well what can I do now?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

And you are hooked up to and looking at the same HDMI input that previously held your saved ISF settings? If you saved them to HDMI5 and now you're on HDMI6, they won't be there.

I have had a couple of storm-related power outages here and my ISF modes are still there.

I was in HDMI 5 and am still in HDMI 5 and the modes are not there.

[jdbimmer]

I would just hook up the serial cable and see if the ISFccc profile still works or use the web page to see if any are listed. Or use the web interface to create one as I outlined here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4365&postcount=274).

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I would just hook up the serial cable and see if the ISFccc profile still works or use the web page to see if any are listed. Or use the web interface to create one as I outlined here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4365&postcount=274).

ill have to wait till tomorrow morning 7/22/09

thanks for the assistance

I watched Step into Liquid in Standard earlier and turned it off half way through, pissed that it wasn't ISF

[Turbe]

Well all i did was turn it off(standby), unplug it and move it to my new house, set it up the same exact same way and now I have no ISF modes.

Well what can I do now?


I'm not discounting what happen to you, but I just unplugged my KRP-500M Patched display in the middle of a movie with isf Night selected and when powered back on, isf Night was still active (and isf Day was still in the list) for that Input.

[dmichael]

Since he was moving the set may not have had power for several hours and it probably takes that long to lose the modes from memory.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

They aren't there. WHAT DO I DO NOW?

[Turbe]

Use ControlCAL and Open/Load ISFccc Profile P2,



POWER ON
START CALIBRATION (verify ISFccc Interface is enabled)
Select Input and press SET
Select ISFccc Memory (i.e. isf Night)
Press large REFRESH Button
Verify Settings, change/adjust Settings if necessary
Press SAVE Button
Open/Load ISFccc Profile P1
Press large REFRESH Button
Verify Settings, change/adjust Settings if necessary
Press SAVE Button
Press END CALIBRATION



You repeat the process for each ISFccc Memory on each Input you want.

[jdbimmer]

Turbe,

I noticed that, after applying the patch, the Serial Number on the service web page now displays "***********" instead of the actual number. Why is that? Just curious...

[jdbimmer]

They aren't there. WHAT DO I DO NOW? So, did you sort this out yet? By coincidence, someone in AVSF asked about Integrator mode, and I remembered that it resets all the Home/User Picture settings, possibly including ISF memories. Is it possible that you entered this mode by accident by holding down the Display button on the remote for more than 3 seconds?

[Turbe]

The sn is masked (including on my PRO-141FD).

[jdbimmer]

The sn is masked (including on my PRO-141FD). Well, yes, I figured that much out myself :p, but why? It wasn't that way pre-patch. Or is this a secret?

[Turbe]

My PRO-141FD is not patched :D

For whatever reason, the webface will mask that at times.. probably because login screens are being bypassed on the webface (all 9G Monitor Models).

[bodosom]

My PRO-141FD is not patched :D

For whatever reason, the webface will mask that at times.. probably because login screens are being bypassed on the webface (all 9G Monitor Models).

No, that's not it. I can't recall how it used to be but I remember some circumstance where the serial number was elided.

[jdbimmer]

For whatever reason, the webface will mask that at times.. probably because login screens are being bypassed on the webface (all 9G Monitor Models). I tried it with the password (I know what it is;)) via http://<krp_IP>/svc/kuro_srvc.html and it is still masked. And I know it was visible before since I copied and pasted it into the fax I sent you. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, I was just curious.

[5150Joker]

Count me in as another successful 500M ControlCal patch user :) The process was fairly quick and painless thanks to Turbe patiently walking me through it--thanks man! So far I haven't done much with it since I need to purchase a meter and learn the ropes but just knowing I've got the ISF modes available now is awesome.

-Joker

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1244/dsc03383e.th.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc03383e.jpg)

[mkoning]

Another successful 500M patched here. Patching it was easy, and it's not hard to use ControlCal either. Like 5150Joker, I don't have a meter yet, so I've just been copy/pasting settings from others (hope some more will appear soon, D-Nice's maybe? :)).

Looking forward to playing around with it some more!

[jimmywang214]

Thanks to turbe for putting up with my multi-serial situation. Everything patched, worked great. Some settings refused to "send" on the first try, but didn't take too long to get everything in order.

KRP-500m

[Magnus_CA]

Ummm. Did turbe or someone else say that if you're power to your KRP is lost (reset) that the ISF modes would be lost? Cause mine are gone now after I just moved .Do I just have to re-activate them?

I have also experienced a loss of ISFccc memories in my 600M. I've had mine unplugged for about 2 weeks and ISF Night is gone from my AV selection list. ISF Day and Auto are still there. I'm not sure why J0HNNY lost all of his memories and I only lost one but his issue is no longer an isolated one.

[Turbe]

Magnus, when you originally activated isf Night, did you make adjustments or just use the default Control values?

Can you run ControlCAL (with the ISFccc Profile), select that Input and isf Night, then Press REFRESH? Do you see your adjusted values (if you did adjust originally)?

There are things set for an ISFccc Memory, though the memory will show in the AV Selection even if all 3 are not set.. I'm thinking a step/procedure was missed for isf Night on that Input.

[Magnus_CA]

Magnus, when you originally activated isf Night, did you make adjustments or just use the default Control values?

Can you run ControlCAL (with the ISFccc Profile), select that Input and isf Night, then Press REFRESH? Do you see your adjusted values (if you did adjust originally)?

There are things set for an ISFccc Memory, though the memory will show in the AV Selection even if all 3 are not set.. I'm thinking a step/procedure was missed for isf Night on that Input.

I did make adjustments to the default control values for all supported ISFccc memories for all inputs (if I remember correctly ISF Auto is N/A on a couple inputs). I made sure at the very least to set Color Temp to Manual along with a few other tweaks.

I'll try refreshing ISF night in control cal tonight to see if they were reset or if it was just a matter of the AV selection disappearing from the menu.

[Magnus_CA]

Magnus, when you originally activated isf Night, did you make adjustments or just use the default Control values?

Can you run ControlCAL (with the ISFccc Profile), select that Input and isf Night, then Press REFRESH? Do you see your adjusted values (if you did adjust originally)?

There are things set for an ISFccc Memory, though the memory will show in the AV Selection even if all 3 are not set.. I'm thinking a step/procedure was missed for isf Night on that Input.

It's confirmed, not only is ISF Night missing from my AV Selection list (for input 5) but the values I entered (Color Space 2, Pure Cinema 2, and Color Temp 6) were not maintained. Input 6 is fine...all 3 ISF memories are there for that input. I have yet to check the other inputs.

Edit - I made some changes to the ISF Night memory for Input 5 and it's still not showing up in the AV Selection list. I'm slowly backing away from the big expensive TV and turning it off for the night. If anyone has a suggestion of how to get ISF night to show up again I'm all ears.

[jdbimmer]

Probably more concerning is my AV Selection guide for input 6 is limited to Standard and User only. I'm sure I can get the ISF memories back on there but I'm not sure how to get the default memories back. Needless to say I'm a bit worried how this is going to turn out. :(
Check your Input setup. You probably have the HDMI-6 Signal Type set to PC which limits you to Standard and User AV modes.

[Magnus_CA]

Check your Input setup. You probably have the HDMI-6 Signal Type set to PC which limits you to Standard and User AV modes.

Yep...I just figured that out so I edited my post. :o

[bodosom]

I have yet to check the other inputs.

The web page might be useful here. It does have a nice summary of enabled inputs.

[Magnus_CA]

The web page might be useful here. It does have a nice summary of enabled inputs.

This is the table from the Pioneer ISF page as of tonight-

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q95/Magnus_CA/noisfnight_input5.jpg

Whether the ISF Night memory for input 5 was lost as a result of my calibration procedure or not I'd love to know how to get it back. :confused:

[Turbe]

Try this..

START CALIBRATION
INPUT 5, SET
ISF NIGHT <---- Verify onscreen that Input 5 and ISF Night are selected in the ISFccc Interface
RESET CURRENT (Select Yes when prompted).
END CALIBRATION


What is Input 5 Configured as in the Input Setup?

I would Power cycle using the Main Switch on the back (wait a 1 minute or so to flip the switch back on).

After you Reset, start over using the Step by Step for Input 5, ISF NIGHT (don't forgot to press SAVE on both P2 and P1 :D )...

[Magnus_CA]

That took care of it Turbe. Thanks. You were correct, I missed activating (probably forgot to hit 'save settings') some memories on a few of the inputs.

Call it my own knuckleheadedness but I didn't get what Activating an ISFccc memory meant the first time around. I thought the patch Activated the memories in the AV selection list. Now it's clear to me you have to go through the procedure workflow for each Input / ISFccc memory / Signal Type combination (26 total?) to get them to show up.

One thing you may want to consider adding to your activation instructions is that you have to switch the signal type for inputs 4-6 to PC to activate ISF Day and Night for that input/signal type combination. I haven't tried it yet but I assume you need a live connection to the D-Sub15 input to engage PC mode and ultimately activate ISF Day and Night there. You may also want to note that ISF Auto is N/A when signal type is set to PC for inputs 3-6.

As bodosom pointed out, the Pioneer ISF web interface is perfect for verifying that you've activated all the ISFccc memories for all input/signal type combinations.

Thanks to everyone that helped me along the way.

[Turbe]

Yes, you need to use the ISFccc Profile Set to actually Activate (and adjust) each ISFccc Memory on each Input you want (you may want only isf Night one Input and isf Night, isf Day and isf Auto on another - whatever you want)...

I only activate the ISFccc memories I am actually using - I know some want all 3 memories to show up for every/most Inputs but I think that's just clutter (IMO).. :D

Of course, if you were getting a Pro Calibration, it does make sense to activate memories for additional Inputs for future use (though they probably could use some adjusting for new sources)... ;)

[andy o]

Hi guys, I have a 500M, and I've read that ISF will yield more brightness than Pure? How does this work, the screen will simply be able to get brighter? I'm wondering cause I'm having to use energy save mode 2 in order to get rid of the buzz, but it limits brightness when there's too much brightness on screen. I wonder if I can up the brightness limit of energy save 2 even if just a bit. I have no problem having to use as low as contrast=20 or so.

thanks.

[cyberfish1]

Another successful KRP-500m patched here! The patcher program was quite simple and straightforward to use and patched my KRP very easily. I would like to point out, to those that had the same impression as I, that running the patcher program does not go ahead and add ISFday/night/auto to your list of possible picture modes. In order to make them available, you have to go through the step-by-step procedure in ControlCal (which is found in one of the links in this thread). ControlCal was pretty easy to use once I got used to the procedure flow, and I had no problems getting my settings just the way I wanted them.

Do yourself a favor and patch your KRP! You know you want to!

[bodosom]

Hi guys, I have a 500M, and I've read that ISF will yield more brightness than Pure? How does this work, the screen will simply be able to get brighter?

Yes and the buzz will get louder.

[andy o]

Yes and the buzz will get louder.

Somehow brightness buzz doesn't increase with brightness itself. PS mode 2 doesn't buzz, but PS 1 does at the same output level, and Standard buzzes even at Contrast 0. There's something else at work here. I don't want a brighter picture per se, I am OK at Contrast 20 for totally dark movie watching, but I just don't want the limiter to kick in so early if total brightness is not very high.

At the AVS thread you said it changes the output limiter. Does that mean that power save mode 2 has also more range, or is it only for standard?

[bodosom]

At the AVS thread you said it changes the output limiter. Does that mean that power save mode 2 has also more range, or is it only for standard?

I'm not sure what you're hearing but:
Kuro monitors have a power limiter which can be set from 20-100% of maximum brightness (the default is 100%). You can imagine that in ISFccc mode it ranges up to 150% of the non-ISFccc scale.

The Power Save modes behave the same in ISF or non-ISF and Esave2 is similar to limiting the output to about 80%. At least those are my observations with a 500M.

The AVSHD field patterns (5 or 10%) will make this clear.

[andy o]

OK, just wanted to know if the patch would have an effect on energy save 2. thanks.

[podol]

I haven't read all posts in this thread.
So... if my questions were already answered elsewhere, link me to there, please.
The question is...
I own a KRP-M North American Model, but I'm not in the USA. Actually in South Korea.
What kind of procedures do I have to take to get the firmware patch?
I mean.. if I have Pay Pal accounts, you don't care foreign address. Am I right?

[wjlud12]

I have the KRP-600M. The patch was successful, however, the ControlCal app just doesn't work for me. I keep getting red error messages and there is no Profile Extras window for the Auto, Day and Night modes. Any thoughts?

[Turbe]

Alt Tab in Windows and/or move the main ControlCAL Window around (and other Windows), the Profile Extras Window is probably hidden/behind other Windows.

After you press the START CALIBRATION Button, what exact message do you get in the Dialog (please be specific)? If you successfully enter the ISFccc Interface, you will see your display change onscreen (and ISF displayed).

Are all the Control Label Names turning Red or just the Highs and Lows? If just RGB Highs and Lows, make sure Color Temp on set to 6 (for Manual).

[wjlud12]

Yes, thank you Turbe. That was it. The Profile Extras Window was hidden beneath the Taskbar. All is green now.

[Sammie2980]

Thanks Turbe, the patch is great and just what I expected, hell even my wife said it looks brighter and more crisp she usually doesn't see that stuff...(though she did see the difference between the 500M and the panny 50 800U :) )

Well the patch was easy to install, the only issue I had was the activation wouldn't work on my laptop, probably due to a configuration I had set, so I loaded it up on my desktop and all went smooth from there. The instructions on how to activate a memory are so straight forward and simple. I'll admit I was somewhat intimidated when I got the 3 emails from Turbe as they had so much info, all at once. Once I gathered myself and read it, it was 1, 2, 3, done.

I do have a few quick questions though...I assume I already know the answer for a few of them but just curious since you guys have spent more time with it.

First is there no way to edit the settings from the remote? I assume not and honestly since I can just do it from controlcal having all my settings right there where I can plug in a number real quick is great but just for on the fly changes in pro adjust to film mode, enhancer, etc, etc without having to hook everything up would be great. I can kind of see why you wouldn't need to because once you get it dialed in where you want it chances of changing it are slim to none.

Next I noticed that when you select day, night, auto etc, everything is grayed out, etc The only thing that is strange is that gamma is set to 3, but I never adjusted it, since I used the 9 gamma points. Is that normal?

For some reason I tried to do ISFccc input 5 for the PC and it didn't stick, has anyone else experienced this?

Last question is ISFccc Auto. I assume you have to have the room light sensor on? If it's turned on will it only effect Auto and Optimum?

That's really the only questions I had, other then that everything else was a breeze, and when I did have a few questions about the activation Turbe got back asap.

This patch is well worth the price, and really your almost doing yourself a disservice if you don't patch it.

[Turbe]

First is there no way to edit the settings from the remote?



No


Next I noticed that when you select day, night, auto etc, everything is grayed out, etc The only thing that is strange is that gamma is set to 3, but I never adjusted it, since I used the 9 gamma points. Is that normal?



Yes, that is what is supposed to happen - Gamma? There are no 9 Point Gamma Controls available in the User Menu to represent



Last question is ISFccc Auto. I assume you have to have the room light sensor on? If it's turned on will it only effect Auto and Optimum?



See: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89



For some reason I tried to do ISFccc input 5 for the PC and it didn't stick, has anyone else experienced this?



When an Input is setup for PC, many Controls are not available in the ISFccc memories.



This patch is well worth the price, and really your almost doing yourself a disservice if you don't patch it.

:thumbsup:

[Michaelmorio]

I have a Pro FD111 and I used the Controlcal settings posted by D-Nice. I have been using it for a few months and I like it.

But the fact that now the 600M can be benefitted from Controlcal makes me feel like needing a bigger one!

Has anyone come up with good settings for the 600M yet?

If not, can someone who owns a 600M get it professinally calibrated for a charge and share the settings with other owners for a small donation like $10-$15?

Michaelmorio

[Sammie2980]

1 more question. When copying profiles from one input to another do I need to have a signal being sent to the input being copied to?

[Turbe]

I recommend you do since the Monitors are finicky...

[rolling green]

isf night has disappeared from my menu for the second time within 2 months with my 600m. No power loss and it's not a huge deal but thank God I wrote down my settings. Is this becoming a trend?

[Turbe]

Do input a signal and follow the step by step (each and every step) for only isf Night on that one Input.

How is the Input configured btw (PC / Video)?

[rolling green]

Do input a signal and follow the step by step (each and every step) for only isf Night on that one Input.

How is the Input configured btw (PC / Video)?

Will do. Input is configured Video

[DeBo]

Very successful calibration and patch load on a KRP-500M. Patch loaded very quickly for the owner without any hiccups, just follow the instructions. I calibrated three memories for two inputs with fantastic results. Viewing room during the day has high amounts of ambient light with two sky lights and windows facing the south but using the ISF Auto has taken care of sunny to overcast days but they do switch to ISF Night mode for viewing in the evening.

[sarge1976]

I'm not sure if I am posting in the corect place since I have a North American 600M and I only saw a thread for European 600M models. But anyway I have aome questions I have about ControlCal for the 600M. I was told that when you install the software that you gain 3 extra picture settings which are "preset" and ready to use. Then I was talking to someone else from a different website and they told me that you have to use a device to enter the settings. I don't have a device nor can I afford to have someone calibrate my TV so I'm thinking I made a mistake buying the software. I was under the impression that once I installed it you would have the 3 extra settings that were ready to use. Can anyone help me out and give me the correct answer :please:

[Turbe]

Hi sarge, :hiya:

The ISFccc Interface (Patch) does give you 3 memories Per Input (isf Night, isf Day, isf Auto). :clap:

Understanding the Pioneer 9G ISFccc Interface: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109

If you want to enter/use some settings Posted from others, see: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49 (search for your model).

:thumbsup:

If you want to get into DIY Calibration (optional, but recommended :D ), you need to buy a meter. :devil:

[p59teitel]

Then I was talking to someone else from a different website and they told me that you have to use a device to enter the settings. I don't have a device nor can I afford to have someone calibrate my TV so I'm thinking I made a mistake buying the software. I was under the impression that once I installed it you would have the 3 extra settings that were ready to use. Can anyone help me out and give me the correct answer :please:

All you need to install the software and activate the three ISFccc modes (Day, Night and Auto) is a laptop computer (and I guess you could do it through a PC if you wanted to, although it might be awkward). Maybe that's what the person meant by a "device," unless they were talking about the cables connecting the computer to the display.

Once you install the software you can then put in settings from others, devise your own settings through use of a calibration DVD, or hire a professional calibrator.

[Turbe]

I think by 'device', they are speaking of a meter to do a proper calibration.. Many users try settings posted by others...

[Jarmel]

OK I'm utterly confused(sucks being a noobie I guess). On your website what do we download if we pay for the KRP-M patch? Also once we order the ISFcc patch, do you mail something to us or do you just activate something after we download it to the tv? How do we even activate the patch on the tv as it seems there is no USB port on KRP-M series. Sorry for all the stupid questions, it's just that I'm very confused.

[Turbe]

Serial.

You will be emailed the instructions and applications.

You can add our USB Serial Adapter and Serial Cable (properly configured for the Pioneers) during checkout. They are shipped via USPS Priority Mail.

[Jarmel]

Gotcha. Thanks a ton. Do you know if break-in affects the ISFccc in a similar way to the general settings? I want to use D-nice's settings but slightly worried that I might have screwed up his break-in process. It seems though that I will be getting in touch with you in the next couple of weeks for the patch.

[adinn]

Successfully patched my 600M today.
Now I wait until Robert Busch comes to calibrate my panel in 3 weeks.
A very big thanks to Turbe!!

[Ronmck]

Hello All,
D-Nice has successfully patched and calibrated my 600M. I considered the option of installing the "patch" myself and copying settings from another calibrated 600. This would have been a lower cost option but I had the good fortune of having one the most knowledgeable and skilled Calibrators in the country, in my back yard, the good "Doctor" D-Nice.:thumbup:

The night before my calibration Turbe went out of his way to assist me and D-Nice and get us setup for the ISF upgrade. He called me on the phone and emailed D-Nice the patch to make sure we were ready to go the next morning. :D

D-Nice did a pre-calibration evaluation of my Pure Mode and I have posted the results below:thumbsdown:. I was using settings, borrowed from another KRP-600M. After D-Nice had installed the ISF profiles and was in the midst of calibrating my set, he said that he was finding that my new settings were turning out to be very different than some other 600's he had done. I think this is a good example of how copying settings from another set is truly a "shot in the dark".

After the patch was installed and the calibration was complete. It was time to SEE what the calibration and upgrade would yield. We put on "The Dark Knight". Immediately, as the image of the bat emerges form the flames, I could see something had really changed. Then the opening scenes unfolded; The skyscrapers burst onto the screen. "WOW! look at that!", I said. D-Nice replied, "Now that's a picture". We watched as I commented on the pristine images of the movie. I thanked D-Nice for a job well done."Wait till you see the display at night...", he said and off he went.:hiya:

Later that night, I lowered the lights and turned the set on. With input set to cable box, Peter Jackson's "King Kong" in HD was the first thing that popped up on the screen. "MAN O MAN!!!!!! I have NEVER seen anything like this before, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!" :eek: Though I expected to see marginal improvement, this was DRAMATIC! This was altogether another level of awesome! The image was nothing short of PERFECTION. Jaw-dropping detail, depth and dimension, like I have NEVER experienced. I put on several Blu-rays and I was literally taken back. I called my wife into the room and I said "You gotta SEE this!!" I put on "Pirates of the Caribbean 1" and the intro has a promo for Disney Blu-ray titles. "WOW! AMAZING!" Even my wife, was in awe. Any question in my mind about my decision to install the ISF-ccc profiles and calibrate was gone! :thumbsup:

Before the ISF upgrade and calibration , I wondered how much this process could possibly improve an already excellent picture. Well the answer is exponentially.The combination of the ISF patch and calibration, has completely changed "the look" of this display. COMPLETELY. How did it change? I'll try and describe the things that I see visually. POP: First of all, there is an obvious pop that was not present before. The image now, has a extreme degree of sharpness with absolutely no ringing or edge enhancement. DEPTH: The depth of the image has become nearly 3-D. COLOR: Color is incredibly rich. GRAY SCALE & BLACK: Though I know the black is not blacker, it certainly LOOKS like it is, because of the striking contrast between the bottom and the top of the scale. Every level of TRUE gray reveals exceptional detail. BRIGHTNESS: The ISF modes added more FL output for a brighter more jazzed picture.

The bottom line is, if you're thinking about the addition of the ISF patch and a professional calibration, or a meter assisted DIY calibration, DO IT! Bite the bullet and do it. It's worth every penny. The best way I can describe the look of the picture now is, "perfection". It is quite simply precise. "Real" is another word that comes to mind, not a pumped up edge enhanced 2-dimensional cartoon, but a precisely revealed representation of the captured image. I never knew movies could look so good. I'm a happy boy. Thank you, Turbe and D-NIce! You da' MEN!:clap:

[AMG_Roadster]

Has anyone gotten the software to run on a Vista x64 machine? All of the machines at my house are running this version of windows, except some pretty old laptops (PIII's).

[Turbe]

Should work (several Users have Vista 64 Bit).. just download and install ControlCAL v1.45, see if it runs on your computer :D

[supershick]

sorry if this question has been answered, but if i have two 500m units, why do i need to pay the extra 75 for the second unit? am i going to be paying for a unique patch for each tv? the patch is smart enough to not run again on another tv?

[Turbe]

Hi,

Each Key is for one serial number (unique).

[supershick]

Hi,

Each Key is for one serial number (unique).

Dumb question yet again, but what are the keys for? Are for ControlCAL or for the patch?

Thanks Turbe!

[Turbe]

They are used for both the ControlCAL application and the Patcher application.

[supershick]

Turbe,

Paid for the two patches and faxed over the NDA already. Will it be possible to receive the patcher this weekend or wait till Monday?

[adinn]

I purchased my KRP-600M back in June 09 after reading about them in the AVS forum and when Pioneer decided not to stay in the PDP business. I already have an Elite 1140 (7G panel). When the patch became available and after reading about how much an ISF calibration made a difference I decided to look into it. I found Robert Busch's name on Turbe's list of calibrators for the California Bay Area and Robert was advertising a summer calibration special on his Busch Home Theater website.

I did a 150 hour burn-in but not continuous and purchased the ControlCal KRP Patch about 3 weeks ago and installed it with no problems. (Thanks Turbe!) I had Robert come and calibrate my 600M on October 8. The first thing he did was go through all the settings on my Oppo BDP-83 and then go through all the settings on the 600M. He re-adjusted my Pure settings. It seems like every panel has its own personality so settings for one 600M may not look the same on another 600M. When he finished re-adjusting the Pure mode, the display looked clearer and sharper. Next he loaded up ControlCal and started adjusting the panel in ISF mode. Peak output was 46 FL. He decided this was bright enough that I did not need an ISF day setting so he used ISF day for my Surewest DVR mpeg4 1080i output and SD DVD viewing and setup ISF night for 1080p viewing with the BDP-83. When he was done he said WOW and I said WOW! Like everyone else that have written about their display calibration, its like someone had wiped the screen clean. After watching it in Pure mode then switching to ISF night or day was unbelievable. Whites were white and blacks were black. Blacks just about matched the black frame. Colors were natural and vivid, skin tones were real, display was very sharp, clear and detailed, a very 3D like picture. We watched some of the videos and pics from the Joe Kane cal disc and we went through some scenes from the Dark Knight. Display was now awesome. Robert was very impressed with my 600M after calibration. This was his first 600M he calibrated with the ControlCal Patch. Its like I have an Elite panel now with the 600M.

Since he was here, I also had him calibrate my 7G Elite 1140. We took an short lunch break first. The 1140 ISF functions needed to be unlocked. Turbe had a 7G profile available for Robert. At first he couldn't connect and he gave Turbe a call. With his help, Robert got into the integrator mode to set the baud rate and ControlCal connected! Again, Robert went through all the settings. The 1140 is about 3 years old and peak output was about 33FL. With ISF unlocked this was plenty bright in my bedroom. Again, when he was done, wow. Even though the 1140 is a 720P panel and I thought the picture was already pretty good, the picture was now outstanding after calibration. Again Pure was no match for ISF night. Much brighter and clearer picture. Black level was good for a 7G panel but the 600M is just awesome.

I also have a Panasonic 37 inch 1080p LCD (TC-37LZ85) panel in the family room for non-serious viewing. Since he was here for the day and only done when he was happy with his calibrations and I was happy, I had Robert calibrate the lcd panel too. This lcd panel had its shortcomings and was no match to the Pioneer plasmas. To set the black levels properly, peak output was only about 11 FL. Increasing the backlight to increase brightness made blacks look purplish. Picture was very clear and sharp though. ISF not available for Panasonics but it has a service mode to adjust grayscale.

I am now a believer of ISF display calibration and Robert Busch is an expert display calibrator. His knowledge of video displays and audio is vast. He could only scratch the surface in trying to explain everything to me. Robert is an easy going guy and driven to make your display look the best it can be and seeing you happy with his work on your display makes his day. I would recommend anyone in Northern California to call Robert to calibrate your display. You won't regret it. Thank you Robert! I would also like to thank Turbe for helping Robert and making sure he was set to calibrate my displays and of course creating the KRP Patch to make ISF calibration available to the KRPs.

[bobaphx]

I have purchased a KRP-600M. I called a recommended AVS Forum ISF calabrator and asked about doing a calibration for me with the patch. He said that he does not use the patch; it voids the Pioneer warranty and he can do as good a calibration using the regular user modes. Is this a true?

[Turbe]

For warranty concerns, see the Agreement in Post #1.

Currently, only about 20 Calibrators from the Master List are Licensed and can calibrate the Patched KRP-M's ISFccc Interface.

If you have complete light control in your room, perhaps you will not need the Patched ISFccc Interface.&nbsp; If you have ambient light (as most do), you can not achieve the same results with the Standard AV Selections as can be achieved with the Patched ISF Interface.

More Info:

Understanding the Pioneer 9G ISFccc Interface: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109

Pioneer Owner's Calibration Reports: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92

[wp746911]

is windows 7 ok? I know that it lists xp and vista as the only compatible systems? I have an old crappy xp laptop I can use- but my best new laptop is windows 7?

[Turbe]

:hiya:

Windows 7 is supported (both 32 and 64 bit). I had Vista+ posted ;)

I did add Win7 though :D

:thumbsup:

-Turbe