Pioneer North American KRP-M ISFccc Patch and Display Profiles for ControlCAL

[Turbe]

Now, have the ISFccc Interface on your North American KRP-500M and/or KRP-600M

NA PATCHED KRP-500M / KRP-600M - Even more Amazing!!!The patcher program was quite simple and straightforward to use and patched my KRP very easily.
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Do yourself a favor and patch your KRP! You know you want to!
Posted HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17081509&postcount=1380)
The calibration upgrade of the 500m and 600m were absolutely the best investment I have made ever since I made the purchase of them several months ago.
Posted HERE
(http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17437889&postcount=2899)Patched KRP-600M .... with the calibrated ISFccc mode, the picture is exponental improved.
Posted HERE
(http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17441178&postcount=8013)Patched KRP-600M .... I also bought the IFCc patch .... The results are unbelievable.


GETTING A PROFESSIONAL ISFccc CALIBRATION?
If you are having your KRP-M professionally calibrated, choose the "For Pro Calibration" Option. The Licensed Calibrator will assist with the Patch Installation during the scheduled calibration visit.

Patched KRP-M Owner's Professional Calibration Reports (see Post #2) (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92)


The NA KRP-M* ISFccc Patcher Package will include**:

+ The Patcher Application.
+ Access to a Firmware File.
+ ControlCAL Registered Activation Key.
+ 2 Display Profile Sets for ControlCAL:


New 9G ISFccc NA KRP-M Patched Display Profile Set (only available in the Patcher Package)
9G Monitor Standard AV Selections Display Profile Set


* For North American KRP-500M and North American KRP-600M only
**except For Pro Calibration Option
Not available in all locations (except "For Pro Calibration" option)


Confused about Pioneer's ISFccc Interface?

Understanding the Pioneer 9G ISFccc Interface (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109)

ControlCAL Reviews & Testimonials (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97)



Software Requirements:
MS Windows XP/Vista+ Supported. The .NET Framework is not required but DirectX is. Video Card with 32MB, Sound Card, 512MB RAM minimum and Mouse/Touchpad required!

IMPORTANT - NO EXCEPTIONS!
You are required to sign an Agreement (Agreement attached to this Post below) that will need to be actually signed by you and faxed (or scanned and emailed), you will need a verified PayPal Account for the actual Owner's Name (Personal Account) and be PayPal Address Confirmed. You will also need the Serial Number of your KRP-500M or KRP-600M.

The Agreement must be signed by the person with the Verified and Address Confirmed PayPal Account.

PayPal Verified How-to:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...on-faq-outside (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/verification-faq-outside)

PayPal Confirmed Address How-to:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/securitycenter/sell/SellerConfirmAdd-outside


----> You will need a straight-through configured Female DB9 to Female DB9 Serial Cable (except "For Pro Calibation" option). If your computer doesn't have an open Serial Port (or none at all), ControlCAL does support the Keyspan USB Serial Adapter and the ControlCAL USB Serial Adapter Bundle (which includes our USB Serial Adapter, a 10' Serial Cable configured for the Pioneers and USPS Priority Mail Shipping to US Addresses for $35 only $28 when purchased with the Patch Package).


NOTE: All settings will be RESET after the Patch - if you had your KRP-M Calibrated, you will lose those settings, please write them down first.


DO NOT ORDER UNTIL YOU TAKE DELIVERY OF YOUR NA KRP-M, INSPECT IT AND DECIDE YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP IT. ONCE A SERIAL NUMBER IS ACTIVATED, THERE WILL BE NO REFUNDS!


1 Personally Owned North American KRP-M Monitor:
$149[*1] - Introductory Price: $100[*2] - Includes the Patch Application and the Display Profile Sets for ControlCAL.

For Pro Calibration (Calibration Fees Extra): $100 - Patch Installation assistance available at the time of the calibration visit.

Have 2 Personally Owned North American KRP-M Monitors?
Add $75

www.ValueElectronics.com (http://www.ValueElectronics.com) KRP-M ControlCAL Promo Purchasers:
$50[*2, *3] Special Pricing available for those who Purchase a KRP-500M or KRP-600M ControlCAL Promo from www.ValueElectronics.com (http://www.ValueElectronics.com) from 6/27/2009 to 7/5/2009
$75[*2, *3] Special Pricing available for those who Purchased a KRP-500M or KRP-600M ControlCAL Promo from www.ValueElectronics.com (http://www.ValueElectronics.com) in the past.

----> Ready to Order? CLICK HERE (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363) <----


Have questions, post in this Thread. :thumbsup:


ACTIVATION KEY AND LICENSE INFORMATION:


The Registered Activation Key is valid only for personal use by Non-Professionals on your own display.
If you are a Professional in the Video, Audio and/or Home Theater Industry or you want to use ControlCAL on Multiple Display Models, you are required to have a Professional Activation Key regardless if you are using ControlCAL on your own display.
ControlCAL's Activation Keys are not transferable. ControlCAL is Licensed to a specific User.

Examples of uses that require a Professional license:


Professional video calibration service — You charge a client money for calibrating a display.
Multiple Displays including those not owned by you — You want to use ControlCAL on multiple Displays including friends and family owned displays.
Industry Insider/Professional — You are in the Video, Audio and/or Home Theater Industry.
Commercial Enterprise — You are a corporate entity rather than an individual. You use ControlCAL in the course of your business.




[*1] Already have the 9G Monitor Standard AV Selections Display Profile Set Activated for ControlCAL? You get get a $35 credit towards the above Package.

[*2] Not Valid for any other discounts or Previous ControlCAL Contributions.

[*3] Sale will be verified by www.ValueElectronics.com (http://www.ValueElectronics.com)
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[Turbe]

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[Turbe]

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[Turbe]

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[NYSportz]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is this a standalone purchase for those of us who do not currently use ControlCAL? It appears that it is based on the above information, but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks,
Justin

Edit: Just found confirmation (from turbe) on AVS that this does indeed include everything one needs to use ControlCAL and the patch.

[Turbe]

There is a special version of ControlCAL NA KRP-M Patcher (application to Upgrade/Patch and Downgrade/Remove Patch) included as well as ControlCAL Registered with 2 Display Profile Sets (1 being the new ISFccc Set for the Patched KRP-M's in North America).

If you need a USB Serial Adapter and 10' Serial Cable (including USPS Priority Mail Shipping to US Addresses), add $25.


:D

[Turbe]

Some Questions posted elsewhere:

Turbe your a genuis! If a get the patch do I need a professional calibration? I'm in Iowa and don't have many choices for calibrators.

No, you can do your own ISFccc Adjustments :)

BTW, there are Pros that cover Iowa and soon, several Pros will have the ability to access the Patched KRP-M's ISFccc Interface (I will have a new list that will show which Professional Calibrators can do it if that is the option you want to go).

[Magnus_CA]

Will this patch give us 9-point gamma control?

Isn't there a limitation on the KRP's number of memory-input combinations?

[Magnus_CA]

What if we have 2 KRP's? Do we have to pay 2 x $149?

[Turbe]

Will this patch give us 9-point gamma control?

Isn't there a limitation on the KRP's number of memory-input combinations?

This is the same ISFccc Interface found in the PRO-101FD and PRO-141FD (Signature Elite Monitors) - same Controls, same Control Ranges same isf Day, isf Night, isf Auto and 9-Point Gamma Controls (3 Channels each). :thumbsup:

Included in the Package is access to a f/w file and the special Display Profiles to access the patched ISFccc Interface which makes this possible. :thumbup:

[Turbe]

What if we have 2 KRP's? Do we have to pay 2 x $149?

No, it will be much less than $149 for the 2nd (only the 2nd will be discounted, not a 3rd or more though) - LMK what you think is fair.

[Magnus_CA]

$49, but this together with the 1st $149 and fees for an ISF calibrator (probably Robert B) to come out and calibrate is a little tough to swallow.

We need an EAP or group buy or something.

[Turbe]

D-Nice let me know he will be posting his patched KRP-500M ISFccc Settings here on this Forum. I'm sure others (who have meters) will do so as well. :D

[Turbe]

$49, but this together with the 1st $149 and fees for an ISF calibrator (probably Robert B) to come out and calibrate is a little tough to swallow.

We need an EAP or group buy or something.

I understand what you are posting.. a lot of work went into this and it is bringing the same functionality (Upgrade) as a display that is $1K - $1.5K more :thumbup:

I do look at it as saving you $900 - $1500 on each Display :D

I already see Posts from those who sold their KRP-M to get an Elite (to get the ISFccc capabilities) and are now posting that they are very unhappy/upset. :(

[Magnus_CA]

I understand what you are posting.. a lot of work went into this and it is bringing the same functionality (Upgrade) as a display that is $1K - $1.5K more :thumbup:

I do look at it as saving you $900 - $1500 :D

I already see Posts from those who sold their KRP-M to get an Elite (to get the ISFccc capabilities) and are now posting that they are very unhappy/upset. :(


This isn't the place to get into it but the 151 does come with a stand and speakers too. I think only uber enthusiast level folks would pay the Elite premium for ISFccc by itself. I'm sure there are a few out there but life is far from fair when it comes to electronics. What about those folks that have had their KRP's professionally calibrated before the patch became available? They're SOL too but that's the brakes.

I don't want to discount your contribution in developing this software but without some sort of a creative promotion it'll be a while before I move forward with the purchase. Having just taken delivery of a 600m $150 isn't trivial.

[Krik]

Turbe,

First, let me thank you for putting a lot of work into this and allowing us "lowly" KRP owners to enjoy the benefits of the Elite series panels.

I'd like to second Magnus CA by asking that the second patch kit be priced at $49. Like him, the cost of the 600m alone has left me a bit strapped.

Also, could you please explain ISFccc Auto? Does it use the built in light sensor to know when to switch between Day and Night mode?

Finally, I know D-Nice will be posting 500m settings soon, which is great. But it kinda leaves us 600m owners in the dark. It's my understanding that the 600m settings are a lot different than the 500m, right?

Thanks again!

[Turbe]

That's correct, you wouldn't want to use 600M settings on a 500M.

isf Auto info Here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89)

[Turbe]

This isn't the place to get into it but the 151 does come with a stand and speakers too. I think only uber enthusiast level folks would pay the Elite premium for ISFccc by itself. I'm sure there are a few out there but life is far from fair when it comes to electronics. What about those folks that have had their KRP's professionally calibrated before the patch became available? They're SOL too but that's the brakes.



I was comparing Monitor to Monitor (KRP-M to Signature Elite) :)

[Turbe]

Turbe,

First, let me thank you for putting a lot of work into this and allowing us "lowly" KRP owners to enjoy the benefits of the Elite series panels.



LOL "lowly" - you only have one of the best consumer displays available anywhere.. It's the Elite Owners that may be upset since they paid a lot more for their Display than you did (yet now you can have the same performance) :devil:

[bodosom]

I know, I know ... but ... when's soon?

Is there a particular reason those of us that are VE buyers get an extra discount?

[Turbe]

I'll start taking orders in a day or so, I'm putting the final touches on the actually application (and agreements).

Robert and Value Electronics has had a Promo for our Members for some time for the KRP-M's as has Roman at Clarity for the Elite TV's.. Several Professional Calibrators also offer an ISFccc Calibration at a Discount when you buy from one these Resellers with the Promo here.

I already need to address those with 2 displays, something I only briefly spent a little time thinking about.

[Turbe]

I'm putting the final touches on the actually application (and agreements).



:hiya:

I'm getting many emails and PM's.. the application is ready, I need to do a couple minor things with the new ISFccc Display Profiles for these NA KRP-M's.

I also have to manage the agreements that will need to be signed and returned either via fax or scanned and emailed, so there is some preparation needed.

Also, with the the Introductory Pricing, the ControlCAL NA KRP-M Patcher Application is basically only $50, the Display Profiles (including the new ISFccc Display Profile Set) for ControlCAL are $50 - they are only available packaged together though.

:thumbsup:

[Magnus_CA]

I like the sound of introductory pricing! :D

I'm probably jumping the gun but will the patch install include the procedure mentioned here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263)?

[jdbimmer]

Will the KRP's built-in ISF web interface work after loading the patch? (It realize that it doesn't have as many controls as ControlCal, but it could be useful to do minor adjustments via wi-fi without having to hook up directly to the serial port.)

[eelton]

I bought my 500M from Value Electronics a few months ago. I asked for the "ControlCal bundle," although I haven't received the ControlCal software. I deferred pursuing this much until the 500M profile was available.

Does the $35 discount ("Already have the 9G Monitor Standard AV Selections Display Profile Set Activated for ControlCAL? You get get a $35 credit towards the above Package.") apply in this case?

Thanks.

[Turbe]

I like the sound of introductory pricing! :D

I'm probably jumping the gun but will the patch install include the procedure mentioned here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263)?

That (manual Install section) is for ControlCAL which now only comes with an Installer/Setup App. I will also package the ControlCAL Patcher Application with an Installer. If you were asking about the Step by Step Procedure to activate and adjust an ISFccc Memory, the answer is YES, that is the procedure. :D

Will the KRP's built-in ISF web interface work after loading the patch? (It realize that it doesn't have as many controls as ControlCal, but it could be useful to do minor adjustments via wi-fi without having to hook up directly to the serial port.)

Yes

I bought my 500M from Value Electronics a few months ago. I asked for the "ControlCal bundle," although I haven't received the ControlCal software. I deferred pursuing this much until the 500M profile was available.

Does the $35 discount ("Already have the 9G Monitor Standard AV Selections Display Profile Set Activated for ControlCAL? You get get a $35 credit towards the above Package.") apply in this case?

Thanks.

Previous www.ValueElectronics.com (http://www.ValueElectronics.com) ControlCAL KRP-M Promo Purchases verified by VE can get the Patch Package for $75 (which is discounted).


:thumbsup:

[management]

My first post here. I can't wait to dive into the calibration space.

Excellent job in making this available. I have the 500M and felt that it was an incredible value. Now I can't wait to take this TV to the next level.

[management]

I purchased my KRP-500M from Value Electronics but knew nothing about any ControlCal.

The purchase price for the package in my case would be your Intro price of $100? How many will be available at $100? I'm ready to go as soon as you make this available.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

When is this available and how do I personally go about it? 100% cant be accessed via Mac?

[Turbe]

Mac info here: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182

[Turbe]

I purchased my KRP-500M from Value Electronics but knew nothing about any ControlCal.

The purchase price for the package in my case would be your Intro price of $100? How many will be available at $100? I'm ready to go as soon as you make this available.

That's correct, the KRP-M ControlCAL Promo was/is available for the Members of CalibrationForums.com - of course, VE has their own website and marketing mechanisms as well.

My first post here. I can't wait to dive into the calibration space.

Excellent job in making this available. I have the 500M and felt that it was an incredible value. Now I can't wait to take this TV to the next level.

Welcome to www.CalibrationForums.com :hiya:

When is this available

I'm still working on the finishing touches.. :D

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

That's correct, the KRP-M ControlCAL Promo was/is available for the Members of CalibrationForums.com - of course, VE has their own website and marketing mechanisms as well.



Welcome to CalibrationForums.com :hiya:



I'm still working on the finishing touches.. :D

I'm still trying to understand, is this a calibration that we do or it just opens up the option for owners to have ISFccc calibrators to calibrate using our new modes? if that makes sense

[Turbe]

Once the ISFccc Interface is available (the Patcher Application does this), you can use the included 9G ISFccc NA KRP-M Patched Display Profiles for ControlCAL to activate the ISFccc memories (i.e. isf Night, isf Day, isf Auto) for each Input and adjust all the Controls available for each ISFccc Memory (same as the Signature Elite Monitors).

You can go the DIY Calibration route or Hire a Professional Calibrator (or even Both :D). The new Profiles will be made to Professionals soon and there will be another list for finding a Professional that can calibrate the NA KRP-M's new ISFccc Interface.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Once the ISFccc Interface is available (the Patcher Application does this), you can use the included 9G ISFccc NA KRP-M Patched Display Profiles for ControlCAL to activate the ISFccc memories (i.e. isf Night, isf Day, isf Auto) for each Input and adjust all the Controls available for each ISFccc Memory (same as the Signature Elite Monitors).

You can go the DIY Calibration route or Hire a Professional Calibrator (or even Both :D). The new Profiles will be made to Professionals soon and there will be another list for finding a Professional that can calibrate the NA KRP-M's new ISFccc Interface.

On a scale of 1-10 can you rate the level of difficultly for during an accurate DYI first time calibration?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I'll start taking orders in a day or so, I'm putting the final touches on the actually application (and agreements).

Robert and Value Electronics has had a Promo for our Members for some time for the KRP-M's as has Roman at Clarity for the Elite TV's.. Several Professional Calibrators also offer an ISFccc Calibration at a Discount when you buy from one these Resellers with the Promo here.

I already need to address those with 2 displays, something I only briefly spent a little time thinking about.

Is there only going to be a limited amount of owners able to get the patch package soon after its released?

[Magnus_CA]

On a scale of 1-10 can you rate the level of difficultly for during an accurate DYI first time calibration?

If all you have access to is a calibration disk like AVIA it's very easy but you can only do so much with it. Before you buy the patch I would pick up a copy of AVIA or DVE and see if you're happy with the PQ that earns you. I think for those of us planning to get a professional calibration done the patch is a no brainer. For those DIY'ers with no access to calibration equipment (or a desire to invest in some) I think the value of the patch is marginal at best.

[Turbe]

For those DIY'ers with no access to calibration equipment (or a desire to invest in some) I think the value of the patch is marginal at best.

Also, there are many ControlCAL Users that use posted ISFccc settings from D-Nice, SillySally and others who are very happy. Many then go the DIY and/or Pro Proper Calibration Route with proper equipment.

Of course, I do recommend doing a proper calibration, either DIY or the PRO route.

-Turbe

[Magnus_CA]

Also, there are many ControlCAL Users that use posted ISFccc settings from D-Nice, SillySally and others who are very happy. Many then go the DIY and/or Pro Proper Calibration Route with proper equipment.

Of course, I do recommend doing a proper calibration, either DIY or the PRO route.

-Turbe

Good point. I'm from the camp that shared settings aren't necessarily the best settings for your display device but YMMV. Those ISF's make some good kool-aid! :D

[Magnus_CA]

What do we do to get the ball rolling on purchasing the patch? Is said ball ready?

[emilsal]

I'm confused about the pricing for those who haven't redeemed their ControlCAL profile yet from their bundles. Is $75 or $50 depending on when you bought it or is it free and included in bundle?

[Turbe]

$75 for Previous KRP-M ControlCAL Promo purchases from VE.

[Riot Nrrrd™]

Can we argue in here? Or will Mean Mr. Woodrow come beat us up? lol :D

I keed, I keed. For us Mac users, is booting into Boot Camp the way to go? (I've got XP SP3 installed in mine)

I am hoping some ISFccc mode settings for the KRP-600M will be posted a la the ones for Pure posted by D-Nice via elite-home, and that I can quickly connect in Boot Camp, set up the settings, and not have to do it too often. (I have a KeySpan USA-28XG USB serial-to-Mini-Din 8 adapter already.)

My Boot Camp MacBook Pro is in the back of the house as a desktop replacement, so I try not to rip everything apart and cart it around with me too often.

[Turbe]

What do we do to get the ball rolling on purchasing the patch? Is said ball ready?

I still don't have the PayPal Pay Buttons Ready yet - That will have to wait until tomorrow (orders can then start). The Package may be ready for use by Wednesday (maybe sooner).

So you can get ready:

Please see Post #1 for Updated Info:

IMPORTANT - NO EXCEPTIONS!
You are required to sign an Agreement (Agreement attached to this Post #1 of this Thread) that will need to be actually signed by you and faxed (or scanned and emailed), you will need a verified PayPal Account and be PayPal Address Confirmed. You will also need the Serial Number of your KRP-500M or KRP-600M.

The Agreement must be signed by the person with the Verified and Address Confirmed PayPal Account.

PayPal Verified How-to:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...on-faq-outside (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/verification-faq-outside)

PayPal Confirmed Address How-to:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...irmAdd-outside (http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/Marketing/securitycenter/sell/SellerConfirmAdd-outside)


----> You will need a straight-through configured Female DB9 to Female DB9 Serial Cable. If your computer doesn't have an open Serial Port (or none at all), ControlCAL does support the Keyspan USB Serial Adapter and the ControlCAL USB Serial Adapter Bundle (which includes our USB Serial Adapter, a 10' Serial Cable configured for the Pioneers and USPS Priority Mail Shipping to US Addresses for $35 only $25 when purchased with the Patch Package).

[Krik]

Can we argue in here? Or will Mean Mr. Woodrow come beat us up? lol :D


Yeah. Way to go locking the thread Woodrow. That'll show us! :rolleyes:

Turbe, any idea of how long the introductory pricing will last?

[Riot Nrrrd™]

----> You will need a straight-through configured Female DB9 to Female DB9 Serial Cable. If your computer doesn't have an open Serial Port (or none at all), ControlCAL does support the Keyspan USB Serial Adapter and the ControlCAL USB Serial Adapter Bundle (which includes our USB Serial Adapter, a 10' Serial Cable configured for the Pioneers and USPS Priority Mail Shipping to US Addresses for $35 only $25 when purchased with the Patch Package).

Ah, good thing you posted this. So you are actually referring to the USA-19HS model KeySpan USB-to-9-pin serial adapter, which is quite different from the one I have on my Mac currently.

[Turbe]

Yes, I also have another Keyspan around (older model - don't have the Part #) and it works fine. You do need the drivers for XP or Vista but you can get them from the Keyspan site.

The Serial Cable is something that gives some troubles.

[Turbe]

Turbe, any idea of how long the introductory pricing will last?

Probably at least until the end of July, who knows maybe longer, maybe not :devil:

[Turbe]

If you have general Owner Related Questions and Issues, I started a Thread Here: http://www.calibrationforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362

You may need to re-login since there are two domains: ControlCAL.com and CalibrationForums.com

Just use your same Forum Username and Password for both :D

Feel free to add an Avatar to Personalize your Forum Account.

[(W)KRP]

NOTE: All settings will be RESET after the Patch - if you had your KRP-M Calibrated, you will lose those settings, please write them down first.
Why not write the patch so our KRPs default to the recommended settings posted here when the patch is applied, instead of Pioneer default values? That would save everyone a lot of work (kinda what programming is for, eh).

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Can we argue in here? Or will Mean Mr. Woodrow come beat us up? lol :D

I keed, I keed. For us Mac users, is booting into Boot Camp the way to go? (I've got XP SP3 installed in mine)

I am hoping some ISFccc mode settings for the KRP-600M will be posted a la the ones for Pure posted by D-Nice via elite-home, and that I can quickly connect in Boot Camp, set up the settings, and not have to do it too often. (I have a KeySpan USA-28XG USB serial-to-Mini-Din 8 adapter already.)
My Boot Camp MacBook Pro is in the back of the house as a desktop replacement, so I try not to rip everything apart and cart it around with me too often.

If I own a MAC do I need this adapter he speaks of as well and can this be included with my patch order?

[bodosom]

I notice that the PDF is password protected which is a teensy inconvenience.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Why not write the patch so our KRPs default to the recommended settings posted here when the patch is applied, instead of Pioneer default values? That would save everyone a lot of work (kinda what programming is for, eh).

Theyre only reset one time when the patch is installed. I know for myself that going through and adjusting my settings is a relatively simple task and I wouldnt really call it a lot of work, but thats just me.

...also considering that ISFccc has been unlocked at all and is ONLY costing $100 is awesome alone and IMO worth any settings I have to adjust

[bodosom]

Theyre only reset one time when the patch is installed.

Well it can be a bit tiresome setting two or three (or four) modes per input per active resolution. It may be that ControlCAL can help with that.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

To be completely honest I have not yet personally had the pleasure of seeing the difference between Pure and any of the ISF modes. I know on my 500M Pure mode is, for lack of a better word "PURE". Can anyone explain if I do this ISF patch install(plan on it), what I'll experience? I know "individual results may vary" but we arent talking about a diet pill here. Serious difference between Pure and ISF?

Ive read a few things on the 9G differences but even that didnt clarify.

[Galun]

I figure I will ask this question here instead of over at AVS.

I have a 600M and a 500M. The 600M is in a light controlled room which can achieve almost total darkness. The 500M is in the living room with very poor control over lighting.

My goal is not to achieve the perfect calibration, and therefore I do not want to pay for a professional calibration, and use community shared settings instead. However, I am interested in having a bright display in the living room due to the poor lighting conditions.

I am a newbie at this but here is what I think. I don't need ISFccc mode on the 600M in the light controlled room, as pure will probably get me very close. However, there is a benefit to having ISFccc mode on the 500M in the living room, due to the higher output of the display without washing out the details.

Am I correct in my understanding? Thanks.

[Magnus_CA]

What are the chances of bricking our KRP's if we apply this patch?

Has anyone other than D-Nice installed it?

[Jordan K]

Also, there are many ControlCAL Users that use posted ISFccc settings from D-Nice, SillySally and others who are very happy. Many then go the DIY and/or Pro Proper Calibration Route with proper equipment.

Of course, I do recommend doing a proper calibration, either DIY or the PRO route.

-Turbe

I'm hoping to learn how to calibrate, and with this patch my 500 will be the perfect guinea pig. You mentioned "Calibration equipment." About how much would the initial investment be to purchase this equipment, and where can I learn more about it?

Thanks.

[jdbimmer]

Turbe,

On a single input (eg, Input 5), does a given ISFccc (like 'Day') memory apply to all signal types (1080i/p, 720p, RGB, YUV)?

I understand that the Day and Night ISFccc memories are identical and essentially labels for the memory locations. Is Auto the same too, or does it use the light sensor or have some other properties?

[Magnus_CA]

I'm hoping to learn how to calibrate, and with this patch my 500 will be the perfect guinea pig. You mentioned "Calibration equipment." About how much would the initial investment be to purchase this equipment, and where can I learn more about it?

Thanks.

Here's a start with equipment...

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/announcement.php?f=12&a=11

I would strongly recommend buying Avia 2, Spears & Munsil and/or Digital Video Essentials HD Basics as a start to see if you're content with what a calibration disc will bring you. There are countless resources available here and at AVSforum if you want to get more into it but try and start small and work your way up.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Here's a start with equipment...

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/announcement.php?f=12&a=11

I would strongly recommend buying Avia 2, Spears & Munsil and/or Digital Video Essentials HD Basics as a start to see if you're content with what a calibration disc will bring you. There are countless resources available here and at AVSforum if you want to get more into it but try and start small and work your way up.

do you think that one would be happy having only calibrated with the spears and munsil disc? if ISFccc is available?

[Turbe]

Turbe,

On a single input (eg, Input 5), does a given ISFccc (like 'Day') memory apply to all signal types (1080i/p, 720p, RGB, YUV)?



Yes :thumbup:

[Turbe]

Has anyone other than D-Nice installed it?

Me, several times.. I would not release it I was conformable with the the Patch.

[Magnus_CA]

do you think that one would be happy having only calibrated with the spears and munsil disc? if ISFccc is available?

I would just take baby steps. You may just be content with a cal disc but you can definitely get a better result if you're willing to put in the money and time. Personally, I will opt for ISFccc and a professional cal and I'll be set.

Determining if ISFccc will be valuable for you has been answered in many threads time and time again. Again, there are countless threads out there about display calibration and my suggestion to you would be to read up and decide for yourself if you should jump into the deep end.

[Turbe]

PayPal Buttons Up here: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363

Just have to some minor final touches on the ISFccc Display Profiles for these Models...

:clap:

[(W)KRP]

Galun, from what I've read, you have it just right. the ISF will allow greater brightness and additional tweaks.

I figure I will ask this question here instead of over at AVS.

I have a 600M and a 500M. The 600M is in a light controlled room which can achieve almost total darkness. The 500M is in the living room with very poor control over lighting.

My goal is not to achieve the perfect calibration, and therefore I do not want to pay for a professional calibration, and use community shared settings instead. However, I am interested in having a bright display in the living room due to the poor lighting conditions.

I am a newbie at this but here is what I think. I don't need ISFccc mode on the 600M in the light controlled room, as pure will probably get me very close. However, there is a benefit to having ISFccc mode on the 500M in the living room, due to the higher output of the display without washing out the details.

Am I correct in my understanding? Thanks.

[management]

PayPal Buttons Up here: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363

Just have to some minor final touches on the ISFccc Display Profiles for these Models...

:clap:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/smilies/2guns.gif

Just ordered !!!!!!! Can't wait to get the cables.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I would just take baby steps. You may just be content with a cal disc but you can definitely get a better result if you're willing to put in the money and time. Personally, I will opt for ISFccc and a professional cal and I'll be set.

Determining if ISFccc will be valuable for you has been answered in many threads time and time again. Again, there are countless threads out there about display calibration and my suggestion to you would be to read up and decide for yourself if you should jump into the deep end.

I think I'll wait till I get my Spears and MUnsil disc and see where that takes me. I'll keep my eye out for some reviews on the patch for the 500M hopefully someone posts some soon so I can see what ISFccc brings to my display.

[management]

I think I'll wait till I get my Spears and MUnsil disc and see where that takes me. I'll keep my eye out for some reviews on the patch for the 500M hopefully someone posts some soon so I can see what ISFccc brings to my display.

As soon as I get it I'm going to try to do a comparison between what I had for Pure Mode (Elite-Home Settings) and what the Profiles give me.

If it is truly Pure mode on steroids then I def. think it is worth it. All Pure mode needs is brighter colors (overall brighter screen).

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/smilies/2guns.gif

Just ordered !!!!!!! Can't wait to get the cables.

let me know how it turns out on your 500M. So I need multiple cables for a mac install of the patch? this one- ControlCAL USB Serial Adapter and Cable for $25 and this one http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=518&txtModelID=3914 ?

[management]

let me know how it turns out on your 500M. The so I need multiple cables for a mac install of the patch? this one- ControlCAL USB Serial Adapter and Cable for $25 and this one

What's the second one? I know the $25 package comes with the USB to Serial Adapter and the actually Serial cable. Turbe, correct me if I am wrong.

If you need something else then damn that sucks.

EDIT: That link looks like a USB to serial adapter that is already included in the $25. Why do you need that? You'll have two of the same thing.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

What's the second one? I know the $25 package comes with the USB to Serial Adapter and the actually Serial cable. Turbe, correct me if I am wrong.

If you need something else then damn that sucks.

EDIT: That link looks like a USB to serial adapter that is already included in the $25. Why do you need that? You'll have two of the same thing.


Thats what I was asking. I wasnt sure if I needed an additional cable since I'll be using a Mac. All new to me. This would also be the first occasion of uploading something into my Display :thumbsup:

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I want to order the patch package now! I feel like why wouldnt ISF modes make my settings look better? I cant see why settling for Pure and using the Spears disc would have me content ?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I just ordered the cable in the meantime so when and if I'm ready to add the package I can do so.

[Turbe]

let me know how it turns out on your 500M. So I need multiple cables for a mac install of the patch? this one- ControlCAL USB Serial Adapter and Cable for $25 and this one http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=518&txtModelID=3914 ?


No, you don't need that one from tripplite if you get our USB Serial Adapter and 10' Serial Cable Bundle.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Turbe PM'd me this when I asked. He's a busy man -"Yes, once an ISFccc Memory (i.e. isf Night) is activated on an Input, it will show up in your AV Selections List (use your Owner's remote to switch to it like the other Standard AV Selections available).* This is the same as the Elite's with their ISFccc Interface."

[jdbimmer]

I completed my order for the whole sha-bang and faxed over the EULA. Does the USB-Serial cable ship out from Washington State??

[management]

Turbe PM'd me this when I asked. He's a busy man -"Yes, once an ISFccc Memory (i.e. isf Night) is activated on an Input, it will show up in your AV Selections List (use your Owner's remote to switch to it like the other Standard AV Selections available).* This is the same as the Elite's with their ISFccc Interface."

I think they have some pictures of the Interface if you look in Turbe's signature.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I think they have some pictures of the Interface if you look in Turbe's signature.

I only posted it because he asked me to. :uhuh:

[management]

I only posted it because he asked me to. :uhuh:

:oops:No no no, I was just saying. The pictures show the ISF selection in the AV menu and that you can see it.

[Turbe]

:please:

Just a reminder, make sure you are PayPal Verified (and got your Address Confirmed with PayPal) before sending your PayPal. I am checking this on each and I've had to refund a couple since the Purchasers were not Verified. :oops:

These are two separate steps with PayPal (Person Verification and Address Confirmation).

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

:please:

Just a reminder, make sure you are PayPal Verified (and got your Address Confirmed with PayPal) before sending your PayPal. I am checking this on each and I've had to refund a couple since the Purchasers were not Verified. :oops:

These are two separate steps with PayPal (Person Verification and Address Confirmation).

I keep trying to fax my discloser form but it wont go through. I have all my info ready. and one more little baby question...is this something we set and forget? CORRECTION- FAX WENT THROUGH AT 2:40pm est. I was going to use someone elses computer to install the patch and give it back to them. With these modes am I going to want to adjust them through a computer? or can this all be done through the user menu after installation?

[RichB]

I keep trying to fax my discloser form but it wont go through. I have all my info ready. and one more little baby question...is this something we set and forget? CORRECTION- FAX WENT THROUGH AT 2:40pm est. I was going to use someone elses computer to install the patch and give it back to them. With these modes am I going to want to adjust them through a computer? or can this all be done through the user menu after installation?

You must have collided with me. Mine just finished :D

- Rich

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

You must have collided with me. Mine just finished :D

- Rich

You punk :nono: my fax was better then yours

[Turbe]

I was going to use someone elses computer to install the patch and give it back to them. With these modes am I going to want to adjust them through a computer? or can this all be done through the user menu after installation?

You will need to use ControlCAL and the new ISFccc Profiles for the Patched KRP-M's to make adjusts to the Controls in each ISFccc memory.

Need your own. :devil:

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

You will need to use ControlCAL and the new ISFccc Profiles for the Patched KRP-M's to make adjusts to the Controls in each ISFccc memory.

Need your own. :devil:

Which is included with my patch package purchase correct?

[Magnus_CA]

I paid and emailed my signed NDA. Are the files emailed to us?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I paid and emailed my signed NDA. Are the files emailed to us?

Magnus can you answer my above question if you know. Im learning, well trying to learn and take in all this calibration mumbo jumbo. Its all new to me. :o.

I need nothing but a computer with windows xp and the package I purchased with the cable correct?

[Magnus_CA]

JH-

I've got an old WIN2K laptop with a serial port and a serial cable around somewhere. That's all I'm bringing to the table. Turbe supplies the software. Otherwise you should have a calibration disc on hand. There's a few basic adjustments you can make with them that go a long way in fine tuning your display.

I'm sure you'll be fine with WinXP, and the USB adapter and serial cable combo. However, you may want to keep your buddy with the laptop's number on speed dial. Sounds like you'll need that laptop if you want to make adjustments to the ISFccc profiles down the road.

[bodosom]

I paid and emailed my signed NDA. Are the files emailed to us?

They have been in the past but since this is more than a key and profile ...

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

JH-

I've got an old WIN2K laptop with a serial port and a serial cable around somewhere. That's all I'm bringing to the table. Turbe supplies the software. Otherwise you should have a calibration disc on hand. There's a few basic adjustments you can make with them that go a long way in fine tuning your display.

I'm sure you'll be fine with WinXP, and the USB adapter and serial cable combo. However, you may want to keep your buddy with the laptop's number on speed dial. Sounds like you'll need that laptop if you want to make adjustments to the ISFccc profiles down the road.

Well "friend" = Mom, lives a few miles away. haha.

I should have my spears and munsil disc by then.

[Turbe]

You will need to use ControlCAL and the new ISFccc Profiles for the Patched KRP-M's to make adjusts to the Controls in each ISFccc memory.

Which is included with my patch package purchase correct?

Yes :thumbup:

Includes the Patch Application and the Display Profile Sets for ControlCAL.

[bodosom]

Magnus can you answer my above question if you know. Im learning, well trying to learn and take in all this calibration mumbo jumbo. Its all new to me. :o.

I need nothing but a computer with windows xp and the package I purchased with the cable correct?

That's all you need to enable and change the ISF settings and if you're content to use the not-yet-posted D-Nice ISF settings then wait for those. But it's more subtle than that. If you've read this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10632798&postcount=1) and this (http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457) you should be ready to make progress. If you haven't read those start there.

[management]

That's all you need to enable and change the ISF settings and if you're content to use the not-yet-posted D-Nice ISF settings then wait for those. But it's more subtle than that. If you've read this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=10632798&postcount=1) and this (http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457) you should be ready to make progress. If you haven't read those start there.


From my understanding the KRP Package comes with profiles for Night and Day. When they say profiles does that mean the are actually settings that I can use?

Can someone give me a proper definition of "profiles"? Thanks.

[Turbe]

At the Basic Level, Display Profiles tell ControlCAL how to 'talk' to a display model (like a Driver) and also have the Control layout.

You wouldn't want to actually use the 'default' Control Values in a Display Profile.. you could but I don't think they would be 'right'.

[management]

At the Basic Level, Display Profiles tell ControlCAL how to 'talk' to a display model (like a Driver) and also have the Control layout.

You wouldn't want to actually use the 'default' Control Values in a Display Profile.. you could but I don't think they would be 'right'.

So when I look at the pictures available for the Elite ISF Interface and then look at D-Nice's ISF Settings I see now correlation. The only different control values I see in D-Nice's PRO-111FD ISF settings is the Gamma Control. All the other settings seem to be able to be changed just like Pure Mode. So I guess the only real changeable settings that ISF adds is that so called 9-point gamma correction.

Are all changeable settings (like the Pure Mode settings) only changeable under ISF Interface through ControlCal? If so, I get it now. And then the 9-Point Gamma Correction is also available.

Damn, I'm having information overload. :confused:

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

You guys have all been super helpful and also very patient. Thanks a million.

[Turbe]

will the settings D-Nice plans to provide include values for each control value?

Correct...

... and, if you get yourself a Meter, take the time to learn and do your own calibration, you can Post your Settings too :D

[Magnus_CA]

I paid and emailed my signed NDA. Are the files emailed to us?

Need an update of what we can expect to happen next. If the files aren't ready I'm in no rush but it would be nice to know that. :thumbsup:

[management]

You guys have all been super helpful and also very patient. Thanks a million.

:clap: Yeah these guys are really patient.

[management]

Need an update of what we can expect to happen next. If the files aren't ready I'm in no rush but it would be nice to know that. :thumbsup:

I asked a million times ha-ha. It isn't ready yet.

Quote from e-mail .... "The info will be e-mailed when it's ready for release (soon) :)"

We all are anxiously waiting. Hopefully it isn't for too long. :please:

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Need an update of what we can expect to happen next. If the files aren't ready I'm in no rush but it would be nice to know that. :thumbsup:

Also curious:thumbup:

[Turbe]

Whats left, are the 9G ISFccc NA KRP-M Patched Display Profiles "fine tuning" and EULA "stuff" for the Installer/ControlCAL.

Patcher Application is ready.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Whats left, are the 9G ISFccc NA KRP-M Patched Display Profiles "fine tuning" and EULA "stuff" for the Installer/ControlCAL.

Patcher Application is ready.

So by your complete guesstimation how long until someone is Soaking it up watching a blu Ray movie in ISFccc night? :rolleyes:

[bodosom]

So I guess the only real changeable settings that ISF adds is that so called 9-point gamma correction.

Are all changeable settings (like the Pure Mode settings) only changeable under ISF Interface through ControlCal?

Yes and yes. Although that's a bit of a simplification it's sufficient.

[Turbe]

I hoping to get the initial release of the package out tomorrow

Emails slowing things down some ;)

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I hoping to get the initial release of the package out tomorrow

Emails slowing things down some ;)
:oops:

[Magnus_CA]

Emails slowing things down some ;)

Biting the hand that feeds you? :uhuh: :D

[jdbimmer]

Turbe,

My apologies for repeating myself, but is there anything different about the "Auto" ISFccc mode/memory or is it the same as "Day" and "Night"?

[Turbe]

Turbe,

My apologies for repeating myself, but is there anything different about the "Auto" ISFccc mode/memory or is it the same as "Day" and "Night"?

That's why I have the TAG CLOUD on the Forum Home, you can just click on the Tag 'isf auto' :(

:eek:

isf Auto Info Here: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89

[jdbimmer]

That's why I have the TAG CLOUD on the Forum Home, you can just click on the Tag 'isf auto' :(

:eek:

isf Auto Info Here: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89Doh! Got it thanks!

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Does anyone know if anything patch related shipped today?

[carftopher]

Does anyone know if anything patch related shipped today?

I received an e-mail from USPS yesterday saying they received the electronic billing information to pick up the cables/USB adapter from the ControlCAL shipping office. I'd imagine it's somewhere in USPS's system by now.

The profiles/patcher application should be e-mailed to us when they're done, I believe.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I received an e-mail from USPS yesterday saying they received the electronic billing information to pick up the cables/USB adapter from the ControlCAL shipping office. I'd imagine it's somewhere in USPS's system by now.

The profiles/patcher application should be e-mailed to us when they're done, I believe.

I recieved the confirmation as well. Just wondering

[Turbe]

Just need to package the Installer(s).. I would like to test with one before release to all.. Is anyone available very soon (who has purchased the package) and can report back to me quickly? Most likely, it would be best to have someone who has the proper cable already (previous ControlCAL User).

BTW, everyone who ordered the Adapter/Cable up until today - they have shipped.

[bodosom]

I would like to test with one before release to all.. Is anyone available very soon (who has purchased the package) and can report back to me quickly?

I'm ready.

[Turbe]

I'm ready.

PM Sent

EDIT: Try you Reply again.

[carftopher]

I will be ready to install the second I receive the adapter/cables in the mail. I will report back as soon as I can. :)

[Turbe]

bodosom has it now and just about to apply it.

[management]

I'm itching to know the results. :)

I'm in NYC for the long weekend so can t use it till Monday night. Gonna be a long Monday night haha.

[bodosom]

The simplest post install test went well.
I don't think I'll stay up and do a calibration run tho.

[(W)KRP]

I'm looking forward to knowing how it looks, comparing the old calibration to the new, in day and night modes. Would the new calibration be good enough to win the shootout over a non-ISF KRP-500? Anyone got both and want to give it a shot?

[management]

I don't think I'll stay up and do a calibration run tho.

Boooooooo!

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

The simplest post install test went well.
I don't think I'll stay up and do a calibration run tho.

Lets get it going already. ;):D

[bodosom]

Turbe, does "unpatching" bring the hour meters back in sync?

[Turbe]

No, all settings are reset. Also, only unpatch/downgrade if you really need to without the desire/need to go back to the Patched State (with ISFccc).

[Magnus_CA]

Any update on when we can expect the software to be ready?

[bodosom]

only unpatch/downgrade if you really need to without the desire/need to go back to the Patched State (with ISFccc).

Things that make you go hmmmm? Is this a "you can't" or a "I don't advise it"?

[Turbe]

Once you Downgrade/Unpatch, I wouldn't advise re-applying the Patch and would like to leave it at that.

Use that option if you have to send in to Repair.

[Turbe]

Any update on when we can expect the software to be ready?

It's ready, do you have your cables?

[Magnus_CA]

It's ready, do you have your cables?

I'm just using an old win2k laptop with a serial cable. Just waiting on the software.

[management]

It's ready, do you have your cables?

Can I get it or atleast the documentation that comes with it? I want to read and study everything before I actaully patch on Monday.

[Turbe]

I'm just using an old win2k laptop with a serial cable. Just waiting on the software.

You do realize that XP in the minimum supported O/S for ControlCAL and the Patcher, right? :D

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Can I get it or atleast the documentation that comes with it? I want to read and study everything before I actaully patch on Monday.

I also would like to read up on any info. My cables are in the mailbox at home as we speak. AKA I am ready

[management]

You do realize that XP in the minimum supported O/S for ControlCAL and the Patcher, right? :D

When is a possible release of 1.2 and are you currently at 1.1 right now?

I know your not required to do this per the signed agreement but thanks.

[Turbe]

I'm satisified with the current version :D


I know your not required to do this per the signed agreement but thanks.

That is common for EULA's.. I think my past update/support record is good though :D

[carftopher]

I also would like to read up on any info. My cables are in the mailbox at home as we speak. AKA I am ready

If possible, I'd like to get the documentation and read through it as well. It would at least help make the day at work pass by faster. ;)

[Turbe]

Yes, I'm going through the list - I do need to work on the instructions that are emailed more..

[Turbe]

I'm just using an old win2k laptop with a serial cable. Just waiting on the software.


What I'm saying is, there has been zero testing on Win2K, I don't know what will happen if you did. I do not recommend you run it on Win2K OS.

[Turbe]

I'm sending emails to verify serial numbers (many hand wrote their s/n)...

[Magnus_CA]

What I'm saying is, there has been zero testing on Win2K, I don't know what will happen if you did. I do not recommend you run it on Win2K OS.

Very well...the docking station I have with my WinXP laptop has a serial port.

[management]

I'm sending emails to verify serial numbers (many hand wrote their s/n)...

I sent you an e-mail to confirm my s/n number. Sorry about my bad handwriting if you couldn't read it.

[Turbe]

I sent you an e-mail to confirm my s/n number. Sorry about my bad handwriting if you couldn't read it.

I don't see your Agreement.

I did have one come in that I cannot open/read, not sure if that was yours. In any case, you may need to resend your Agreement, I will confirm the S/N off of that.


I don't have this process streamlined yet (as I do for ControlCAL)..

[management]

I don't see your Agreement.

I did have one come in that I cannot open/read, not sure if that was yours. In any case, you may need to resend your Agreement, I will confirm the S/N off of that.


I don't have this process streamlined yet (as I do for ControlCAL)..

Open? I didn't e-mail it I faxed mine in a few days ago.

[Turbe]

Open? I didn't e-mail it I faxed mine in a few days ago.

fax to email service :)

[management]

fax to email service :)

e-mail to e-mail this time. :)

[jdbimmer]

I'm sending emails to verify serial numbers (many hand wrote their s/n)... I typed my serial# on the Fax cover sheet. I got my usb-serial cable today, that was quick. Now I am patiently :boring: awaiting the software.....

EDIT:
And minutes later, I got everything else. Thanks Turbe, you are quick!

[carftopher]

Cross-posted from AVSForum:

The first North American KRP-600M has been successfully ISFccc patched!

To be honest, the process could not be more simple. In my opinion, I'd the hardest part was ensuring the USB/Serial adapter was communicating on the correct port as ControlCAL (and even that wasn't hard). Turbe and I went through each process together: communications check, patcher, applying new settings and everything turned out as expected.

While the user interface may be a little intimidating or confusing at first, the instructions on how to use ControlCAL are very detailed and elaborate. As many have said before, as long as you follow the instructions step-by-step, you will have no problems. A few mouse clicks here and there and before you know it, the ISFccc modes are enabled! :D

After patching, you can use the regular 9G Pioneer Elite ControlCAL instructions to load a profile and tinker with the settings. I do not believe you can change ISF settings from the web interface. While I didn't receive a message on my TV saying that ISF modes were not available for my model, I could not get past the ISF prompt with the password.

In short, applying the patch and tinkering with the settings in ControlCAL was painless. Whether the ISF modes (vs Pure) are worth the extra money, I'm not sure yet. Very initial impressions (a few minutes) seem to show A LITTLE extra "pop" compared to Pure. After messing around with the settings, I will elaborate further.

BIG thanks to turbe and D-Nice for making this possible for us KRP owners. :)

BTW - I don't have a meter so I can't calibrate my set yet. I'll wait for someone to graciously post their calibrated settings for their 600M. :p

Here's a picture I know everyone wants to see:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=146925&stc=1&d=1246575507

If anyone has any questions about the ControlCAL process, let me know and I'll try to answer the best I can.

[management]

Who the man .... Turbe the man!!!! :thumbup:

I can't wait to get back home and do this. I have to wait till Monday. :(

[RichB]

Does that mean the rest of use will be getting an email soon? :clap:

- Rich

[jbrady3324]

So what is the explanation for why we cannot repatch after a removing the patch?

[panacal]

Can you please tell me the version number of the patch that works with the Pioneer KRP 500M, and where and how I purchase it?

Also, is there anything else I need to purchase other than a serial/USB converter cable, provided that I use a settings profile that is shown on the ControlCal website? What is the link for the correct settings profile for the patched 500M?

Does the ControlCal 500M patch enable complete calibration just like the Elite, or are there differences in what can be calibrated. If there are differences, what are they?

Much appreciate your help; many thanks.

[Turbe]

Post #1 (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361) has info, Purchase Here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363)

[Magnus_CA]

carftopher,

Was there a particular post, email, or other source of information that was most crucial in explaining the procedure for applying the patch? I haven't tried applying it to my 600m yet but I have printed out all of the instructions. A lot of the linked documents linked to even more documents and more links. Right now I'm really looking for concise instructions for just getting ISFccc on my 600m and it seems like everything is spread out across controlcal, avs, and the emails from turbe.

TIA!

[bodosom]

Right now I'm really looking for concise instructions for just getting ISFccc on my 600m and it seems like everything is spread out across controlcal, avs, and the emails from turbe.


If no one else responds in the next little while I will but I'm about to be in-transit for an hour.

[Turbe]

Right now I'm really looking for concise instructions for just getting ISFccc on my 600m and it seems like everything is spread out across controlcal, avs, and the emails from turbe.

TIA!

oops, you meant the Patcher, I will email you per the Agreements.

EDIT: Email sent with new Patcher Step-by-Step Instructions :D

After you use the Patcher Application, use these Instructions - which you will be doing going forward.

Step-by-Step: Activating the ISFccc Memories and Entering Posted Settings (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2218#post2218)

Skip to this section on that Post:

[ACTIVATING AN ISFccc MEMORY AND ENTERING POSTED SETTINGS - STEP BY STEP:]

I do have that info in that last email I sent :(

[Turbe]

carftopher,

Was there a particular post, email, or other source of information that was most crucial in explaining the procedure for applying the patch?

That information will be emailed and not posted (this is covered in the agreement). You should have received the same emails now... email me if you didn't.

;)

[Magnus_CA]

I did receive the email, thanks. I got the patch installed and all 3 isf options appear now. I'm a little confused regarding how the P1, P2 and 3 ISFccc options interact. I'm not entirely sure why 2 profiles are necessary and how Day, Night, and Auto works with those 2 profiles. I'm sure this question has been asked answered before and I'm going to continue reading through the forum here.

[Turbe]

Think of P1/P2 as Page 1/2 or Part 1/2. When doing a Calibration, most start with P2 and then use P1 for the primary PQ adjustments/calibrations since the Controls on P1 are the primary controls used to adjust the PQ.

The next generation of ControlCAL (I've been working on it on and off) has both in memory at the same time.

isf Night, isf Day and isf Auto are memories, all 3 are available for each Input. You need to activate and adjust each (some may only have one activated and being used, i.e. isf Night).

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Applied patch with success. God I'm
a noob.

I can't seem to get the ISF settings to save to the mode. I followed the procedure, pressed "save settings" but evey time I check they are still at default, "40" contrast etc. What am I doing wrong and how can I save the settings to the display?

I have ISF day and night so far btw.

[ScottAllyn]

Applied patch with success. God I'm
a noob.

Same here, on both counts! :D

The installation of the patch was a breeze. At first, I was a little confused over the P1/P2 files in the ISFccc Profiles, but after loading them up and checking them out, I "got it" - they're just two different pages of settings.

The 9-point gamma controls are mocking me. I can get 8 points dialed in and then make an adjustment to that last point... and it throws off three other points. I can hear them laughing at me! :eek:

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

So basically I was saying I have modes but all they are is "pure" with a smigen more contrast. I'm annoyed because I can't find any extra info to assist me further. This is the link that I've used and I've done everything a few times to make sure I was doing it right.

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2218#post2218

[carftopher]

Applied patch with success. God I'm
a noob.

I can't seem to get the ISF settings to save to the mode. I followed the procedure, pressed "save settings" but evey time I check they are still at default, "40" contrast etc. What am I doing wrong and how can I save the settings to the display?

I have ISF day and night so far btw.

Glad to hear of your success. I figured you had it working when I didn't receive a PM early this morning. ;)

After you click "save settings," try clicking "end calibration," and then checking your panel to see if the changes were saved.

[bodosom]

I started a calibration thread (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370). More about the sharing of experience than settings despite the link.

[bodosom]

So basically I was saying I have modes but all they are is "pure" with a smigen more contrast.

So you did each of the steps below and then when you open the Picture sub-menu on the KRP the settings are still unchanged? If so maybe it's time to open a new thread here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22). No reason to turn this thread into yet another tutorial.

Open/Load Part #2 of the ISFccc Display Profile
Press POWER ON Button (wait until Display Powers on).
Press the START CALIBRATION Button (should now be in ISFccc Interface).
Select Input and Press SET Button
Press ISF DAY MODE or ISF NIGHT MODE or ISF AUTO MODE Button.
Press the large REFRESH Button
Adjust each Control
Press the SAVE Button (located on the Profile Extras window).
Open/Load Part #1 of the ISFccc Display Profile
Press the large REFRESH Button
Adjust each Control (i.e Brightness, Contrast etc).
Press the SAVE Button (located on the Profile Extras window).
Press the END CALIBRATION Button.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I'll try soon. Thanks bodosom

[Turbe]

Johnny, do Input a Signal (cable/sat or DVD/Blu ray) while you are trying Posted Settings. The Monitors are finicky.

This is not an issue for those doing a proper calibration since they are using patterns (with DVD) and/or a pattern generator during calibration.

If so maybe it's time to open a new thread here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22). No reason to turn this thread into yet another tutorial.

Yes, I think that would be best :)

[Magnus_CA]

Has anyone tried going to the ISF tab in the web interface after applying the patch? Does it work?

[bodosom]

Does it work?

Did it work for you?

[Magnus_CA]

Did it work for you?

I haven't tried. I'm looking for a guinea pig, not volunteering to be one. :D

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

after 6 tries it finally worked but now when I press certain buttons on the control cal display it says "error received from display" example- I pressed END CALIBRATION and it says it was successfully disabled, then another small box popped up to say "error received from display"

I didn't do anything other then the what the instructions stated

[Magnus_CA]

I was getting the 'errors received' messages on the console as well.

[bodosom]

I was getting the 'errors received' messages on the console as well.

Those can happen. Sometimes of no consequence, other times it means you missed a step. e.g. you don't set CT to manual but try to read the offsets.

[bodosom]

Nevermind.

I'm getting errors if I use the input boxes rather than the sliders.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I didn't adjust any of the 9 gamma points. Mainly because I don't know what would be recommended. Is the gamma adjustment option essentially the only thing that makes an ISF mode different from Pure?

[Magnus_CA]

Has anyone tried going to the ISF tab in the web interface after applying the patch? Does it work?

Did it work for you?

I tried accessing it but I got a password prompt, which is farther than I got before applying the patch. Anyone know what the password to the ISF tab might be? I just want to have a gander what's there...I'm content using CC to modify the memories.

[Magnus_CA]

^nevermind...I found the direct URL to the ISF tab. The interface comes up but I'm a little skeptical of the table that displays what inputs can use IM0, 1, and 2. Here's what sshows up for me...

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q95/Magnus_CA/isfccc_compat.jpg

[Galun]

If a patched TV is unpatched for repairs, does it mean it cannot ever be patched again?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

If a patched TV is unpatched for repairs, does it mean it cannot ever be patched again?

I think Turbe said he would not recommend patching again.

[management]

You guys are relentless. Even on a holiday weekend. Great Job fellows. I'm learning so much reading about your experiences. I'll be able to join the club tomorrow. I'm still away for the holidays.

Big question, for someone that does not have the proper equipment, can we still do proper calibration of the ISF modes while watching something like DVE on BluRay and using the test patterns? That should give pretty go calibration, no?

[bodosom]

That should give pretty go calibration, no?

The operative word is no. You cannot calibrate a display without the appropriate hardware and software. You can make some useful adjustments by eye. I'd recommend the Spears & Musil disc if that's the route you have to take. Alternatively you can copy some settings after setting the black and white levels by eye.

[Magnus_CA]

You guys are relentless. Even on a holiday weekend. Great Job fellows. I'm learning so much reading about your experiences. I'll be able to join the club tomorrow. I'm still away for the holidays.

Big question, for someone that does not have the proper equipment, can we still do proper calibration of the ISF modes while watching something like DVE on BluRay and using the test patterns? That should give pretty go calibration, no?

AFAIK you can't set gamma and the primaries without the right equipment.

[Magnus_CA]

Just a word of advice to those of you that didn't buy the cable bundle...not all serial cables are created the same. I purchased a F-F serial cable thinking it would negate the need for an adapter but it ended up being a null-modem cable, which didn't work at all. This thread (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29) talks about the fact that a straight-through type serial cable is necessary, and they aren't kidding. I was able to install and configure a Cablestogo brand Serial USB adapter and get it working without issue.

[Magnus_CA]

Something I noticed while in Control Cal this evening...

I can refresh and modify every option for all 3 IM's for Inputs 1, 2, 5, and 6. I didn't have issue reading/modifying inputs I wasn't sending a signal to.

When it comes to Inputs 3 and 4 I'm only able to select Day and Night. Trying to select Auto gives me 'Err' on my 600 and doesn't change the ISF mode. Contrast, Brightness, RGB High, and Screen Size are the only options that refresh in Black. All other options come up in Red.

Is this normal? Do I have to be feeding those inputs a signal to get Control Cal to read/change them?

[bodosom]

Is this normal? Do I have to be feeding those inputs a signal to get Control Cal to read/change them?

Note: I don't have a 600 or use input 3.

Make sure you've selected a mode before refresh. I've forgotten. Other than that input 4 works for me signal or no signal.

[management]

oops, you meant the Patcher, I will email you per the Agreements.

EDIT: Email sent with new Patcher Step-by-Step Instructions :D

After you use the Patcher Application, use these Instructions - which you will be doing going forward.

Step-by-Step: Activating the ISFccc Memories and Entering Posted Settings (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2218#post2218)

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I do have that info in that last email I sent :(

Turbe, did you include the step-by-step instructions for the patcher program in the e-mails you sent? I can't seem to find them.

[management]

All I have to say is that I'm in love with ISF-Day!!!!!

[Turbe]

All I have to say is that I'm in love with ISF-Day!!!!!

:thumbsup:

[oohm]

Once you Downgrade/Unpatch, I wouldn't advise re-applying the Patch and would like to leave it at that.

Use that option if you have to send in to Repair.

I'm interested in buying the patch, but before I do.....
could the patch be left in place if the repairs are being done out of warranty ?

.....or is it an issue other than voiding the warranty that necessitates the removal prior to repair?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

I'm interested in buying the patch, but before I do.....
could the patch be left in place if the repairs are being done out of warranty ?

.....or is it an issue other than voiding the warranty that necessitates the removal prior to repair?

"good question and I like where your head's at"

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

All I have to say is that I'm in love with ISF-Day!!!!!

Samezeez

[Turbe]

could the patch be left in place if the repairs are being done out of warranty ?

Possibly, most likely, the Service Tech is expecting a KRP-M as shipped, I would remove the Patch.

[jbrady3324]

Possibly, most likely, the Service Tech is expecting a KRP-M as shipped, I would remove the Patch.

Maybe you can fool the tech and tell him it is a KRP-A? :D

[Magnus_CA]

Note: I don't have a 600 or use input 3.

Make sure you've selected a mode before refresh. I've forgotten. Other than that input 4 works for me signal or no signal.

bodosom - Thanks. I made sure a mode was selected before refreshing. Again, some values were be able to be read, but only 4 total from both profiles. Were you able to change to ISF AUTO for input 4? Would you mind checking input 3 for me?

Turbe - can you offer any insight?

[oohm]

Possibly, most likely, the Service Tech is expecting a KRP-M as shipped, I would remove the Patch.

Bear with me, I'm neither a programmer, an electronics engineer or an electronics tech. I am trying to make an informed choice by understanding why it would possibly affect a tech doing repairs, if there was additional firmware added which already exists in other (nearly?) identical versions (KRP-500A and Pro-101FD) of this monitor. To my uninformed reasoning, it doesn't seem to follow that the additional firmware should affect a diagnosis or a hardware repair. The panel could simply be put into a non-ISFccc mode during diagnosis.

Why do you recommend removing the patch knowing that you have also said it should not be re-installed once it has been removed? There has to be another factor.

Is there a chance that under certain conditions the patch can cause damage after it has been successfully (i.e. correctly) installed? I would like the improved PQ but not if it comes with a potential trade off in reliability.

I am also confused by why the patch should not be re-installed once it has been removed - but accept the fact that you have already said you do not want to explain why.

TIA.

[Turbe]

Turbe - can you offer any insight?

What specific Control labels turn RED on REFRESH?

Also, what is the Input setup as (Input Setup/Signal Type), PC or Video? Many Controls are not valid when the Input is configured as PC.

[Turbe]

Is there a chance that under certain conditions the patch can cause damage after it has been successfully (i.e. correctly) installed? I would like the improved PQ but not if it comes with a potential trade off in reliability.


I don't believe so and if I wasn't comfortable, I would not have done my own KRP-M let alone made it available.

I don't know what the Servive Tech's do (I assume it depends on what type of problem you are reporting); except, I do know the Service Tech's don't check ISFccc Interface related stuff on the Elites anyways (they are just not equipped to do so). If, for whatever reason, you are one of the few that need a service call, I think it would be best to remove it, that's all.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Well i don't know about you guys but whats done is done and if I have to make a service call i won't be removing it if I can't get it back. I like the added modes so much I think I'll take my chances.

I really like the advantage over Pure:thumbup:

thanks again Turbe

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

hmmm ....when I load controlCAL I dont have options to power on or off or start or end calibration? and my extra profiles window has nothing but gamma adjustments in it. No ISF day Night or Auto option

[Magnus_CA]

hmmm ....when I load controlCAL I dont have options to power on or off or start or end calibration? and my extra profiles window has nothing but gamma adjustments in it. No ISF day Night or Auto option

Are you loading the KRP profiles (1 or 2) first? Do you have 'Advanced' (I think that's what it's called) checked in the settings menu?

The procedure here (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2218&postcount=16) is money. Specifically, the section '
[ACTIVATING AN ISFccc MEMORY AND ENTERING POSTED SETTINGS - STEP BY STEP:]' The Control Cal version and Profile names stated are off but the procedure is the same.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

got it. Thanks

[bodosom]

Do you have 'Advanced' (I think that's what it's called) checked in the settings menu?

As far as I can tell Advanced just displays the transaction window which you'll probably never use.

[Magnus_CA]

As far as I can tell Advanced just displays the transaction window which you'll probably never use.

I was referring to the 'Advanced Mode' in the 'File' menu. All that window does is make me freak out when I see the 'Received Error Code' message. You're right, probably best to ignore it.

[Magnus_CA]

What specific Control labels turn RED on REFRESH?

Also, what is the Input setup as (Input Setup/Signal Type), PC or Video? Many Controls are not valid when the Input is configured as PC.

You got it. Input 3 has to have Color Decoding set to something other than RGB and Input 4 needed to have its Signal Type set to Video.

Thank you. :thumbup:

[Magnus_CA]

Turbe,

Do you have a procedure workflow for the KRP AND Pioneer 9G AV selections profiles? Or is it recommended that we adjust the AV Selections on the panel only?

[Turbe]

Use the 9G Monitor Standard AV Selections Profile for calibration :D

I have not taken the time yet to adjust it for that Profile Set yet. The one below (recommended ISFccc workflow) will need to be modified a bit since the 9 Point Gamma isn't available for the Standard AV Selections:



Set peak luminance (Contrast)
Set black level (Brightness)
Correct grayscale (RGB High/Low)
Fix gamma (9 point gamma controls.....green first followed by red then blue)
Correct color points (CMS controls)
Tweak grayscale (RGB High/Low)
Verify grayscale, gamma, and color points again
Set color saturation (Color)

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Why do you recommend removing the patch knowing that you have also said it should not be re-installed once it has been removed?

Could this be touched on? :please:

I've already patched so I don't really care but I know of plenty of owners who are hesitant because this question has not been directly answered.

[jbrady3324]

Could this be touched on? :please:

I've already patched so I don't really care but I know of plenty of owners who are hesitant because this question has not be directly answered.

+1

[TimV]

Has anyone used a MacBook Pro running XP SP2 on Bootcamp to run ControlCAL and install this patch? I just partitioned the drive on my MacBook Pro using Bootcamp and installed Windows XP SP2 (I feel so dirty now). I'm about read to buy the ISF patch for my 600M, but I want to be sure it will work.

Also, has anyone used the USB - Serial cable available at Monoprice? Here is the link:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031104&p_id=3726&seq=1&format=2

I know I'll still need a DB-9 F - DB-9 F cable with this cable, but will it work or should I just get the one bundled with the software? Thanks!

[Turbe]

The MacBook/Bootcamp/XP SP2 is fine, the monoprice adapter has problems.

[Magnus_CA]

The MacBook/Bootcamp/XP SP2 is fine, the monoprice adapter has problems.

There's two of them. Does that part in bold go for both?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031104&p_id=2276&seq=1&format=2

[bodosom]

should I just get the one bundled with the software? Thanks!

Since you have a Mac I'd go with something that works with a Mac as well as Windows. I believe the one Turbe sells works with a Mac. Since you don't want to get some kit in and find out it doesn't work I'd suggest you go with a known-to-work solution. The kit Turbe sells is tested.

Now I got my adapter long ago before ControlCAL but what I did get from monoprice are long serial cables of the right type so I can leave them attached to my KRP and my video processor and a single-port USB hub on a long (20') cable that I plug the meters into.

I don't know how long Turbe's cables are.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Why do you recommend removing the patch knowing that you have also said it should not be re-installed once it has been removed?

and again. Since this has been overlooked

Not trying to be a pest but if someone is selling something and possible consumers are on the fence about the purchase because the fine print is too small to read they need to know. Theyre still buying at their own risk, they just want to know all of the risks, as I do.

I'm not directly asking Turbe, so maybe someone else at least has an idea about why we shouldnt or wouldnt want to re-install.

Thanks in advance

[Turbe]

Why do you recommend removing the patch knowing that you have also said it should not be re-installed once it has been removed?

It's really simple :(, my goal for this was to do the patch and give the option to basically remove it if needed. :) After a little thought, after your year is up, it would probably be ok to leave the Patch if you needed a tech in for repair. Think of it this way, New Car, you add one of those aftermarket computer upgrade options that allows you tune the performance (on demand / presets / manual) of your car's engine (squeeze a little more HP?) - I'm not sure how a Car Dealer's Service Department would handle any engine warranty issues with that aftermarket computer installed.... :confused:

Perhaps I'll revisit this in the future (thinking about the Service Tech options and procedures*, doing testing and perhaps updating the Patcher with changes if needed etc.) but I'm focused on the 9GNE REFRESH and the new ControlCAL Interface right now.

*There are some variables there

[Turbe]

I don't know how long Turbe's cables are.

10' :thumbup:

There's two of them. Does that part in bold go for both?


Yes from the reports given to me from the last year.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

It's really simple, my goal for this was to do the patch and give the option to basically remove it if needed. :) After a little thought, after you year is up, it would probably be ok to leave the Patch if you needed a tech in for repair.

Perhaps I'll revisit this in the future (doing testing and perhaps updating the Patcher with changes if needed) but I'm focused on the 9GNE REFRESH and the new ControlCAL Interface right now.

Was the answer about re-installation in here and I'm just missing it? :confused:

[Turbe]

Was the answer about re-installation in here and I'm just missing it? :confused:

:oops: I forgot to quote, yes to oohm's post


Edited my post above.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

It's really simple :(, my goal for this was to do the patch and give the option to basically remove it if needed. :) After a little thought, after your year is up, it would probably be ok to leave the Patch if you needed a tech in for repair. Think of it this way, New Car, you add one of those aftermarket computer upgrade options that allows you tune the performance (on demand / presets / manual) of your car's engine (squeeze a little more HP?) - I'm not sure how a Car Dealer's Service Department would handle any engine warranty issues with that aftermarket computer installed.... :confused:

Perhaps I'll revisit this in the future (thinking about the Service Tech options and procedures*, doing testing and perhaps updating the Patcher with changes if needed etc.) but I'm focused on the 9GNE REFRESH and the new ControlCAL Interface right now.

*There are some variables there

Theres the Flavor!

Thanks :thumbup:

[Turbe]

I think the first year is important for many, that's why I wanted the downgrade option. I do see I need to spend some time pondering some situations, I'll do that.

I know many want definitive answers for several situations (some unknown in reality).. but I'm going to cover myself and ControlCAL Products, Use at Your Own Risk!

Though ControlCAL's track record is very good (just check :)), if anyone is not comfortable with such things, I'd recommend they pass on the ControlCAL Products.

Unfortunately :(, most of this (and DIY Calibration in general) is really a small niche market.

[aross99]

I think the first year is important for many, that's why I wanted the downgrade option. I do see I need to spend some time pondering some situations, I'll do that.

I know many want definitive answers for several situations (some unknown in reality).. but I'm going to cover myself and ControlCAL Products, Use at Your Own Risk!

Not to beat a dead horse here, but is your concern for a install/de-install/re-install cycle one of "I haven't tried that, so I wouldn't recommend it" - basically, "I don't know what would happen"?

Or is there some negative effect from this cycle that you have experienced that you just haven't gotten around to determining what happened?

I'm having a hard time getting my head around that happens here. It is obviously not a full flash/restore of the firmware, or this wouldn't be an issue.

It also appears that this isn't a matter of changing a few "hidden" settings, or I would think you could put it back when you were done (wouldn't it be nice to simply change "ISF=NO" to "ISF=YES" :) ).

Is there any way you can give us a somewhat technical description of what this does without giving away your trade secrets?

[Turbe]

It's the Procedures (including potentially ones unknown to me now) used by the Service Techs during repair - I'll research the diagnostics and procedures that are commonly (and maybe not so common?) used. Bottom line, it's the unknown that causes me to advise caution on re-patch. Anyways, I will be doing some additional research and testing down the road :D

I'm reminded of one of the recent PRO-151FD warranty claims I'm involved (for another Owner) with where the Display may have been left in a questionable (though functional) state by the repair tech under warranty. Waiting for the followup from Pioneer and the tech on that specific case.

[TimV]

Has anyone used a MacBook Pro running XP SP2 on Bootcamp to run ControlCAL and install this patch? I just partitioned the drive on my MacBook Pro using Bootcamp and installed Windows XP SP2 (I feel so dirty now). I'm about read to buy the ISF patch for my 600M, but I want to be sure it will work.

Also, has anyone used the USB - Serial cable available at Monoprice? Here is the link:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031104&p_id=3726&seq=1&format=2

I know I'll still need a DB-9 F - DB-9 F cable with this cable, but will it work or should I just get the one bundled with the software? Thanks!

Thanks for all the responses. I just ordered the ISFccc patch for my 600M along with the USB / serial adapter kit. How long should I expect to wait for everything to be sent to me (patch files, cable, etc.)? Also, where do I e-mail the NDA? Thanks again.

[Turbe]

How long should I expect to wait for everything to be sent to me (patch files, cable, etc.)? Also, where do I e-mail the NDA? Thanks again.

You should have received a couple emails, one that asks you to confirm (I know, confirm your Confirmed Address) your address.. get it back to me soon and your Bundle should go out today :D

Look on page 2 of the Agreement for that other info :)

[jbrady3324]

It's the Procedures (including potentially ones unknown to me now) used by the Service Techs during repair - I'll research the diagnostics and procedures that are commonly (and maybe not so common?) used. Bottom line, it's the unknown that causes me to advise caution on re-patch. Anyways, I will be doing some additional research and testing down the road :D

I'm reminded of one of the recent PRO-151FD warranty claims I'm involved (for another Owner) with where the Display may have been left in a questionable (though functional) state by the repair tech under warranty. Waiting for the followup from Pioneer and the tech on that specific case.

Turbe, you have yet again dodged the question. I think we all deserve an answer on this topic as you are just making the patch seem a tad more sketchy each and every time you dodge the question. It is the only reason I (and I'm sure I am not the only one) have not purchased it yet

What is the reasoning for not being able to re-patch? If you have not had the luxury to test this scenario out, which I cannot blame you for, just say so. That is a good enough reason for me. But if there is something else happening behind the scenes when the patch is applied, we deserve to know.

[rolling green]

Turbe, you have yet again dodged the question. I think we all deserve an answer on this topic as you are just making the patch seem a tad more sketchy each and every time you dodge the question. It is the only reason I (and I'm sure I am not the only one) have not purchased it yet

What is the reasoning for not being able to re-patch? If you have not had the luxury to test this scenario out, which I cannot blame you for, just say so. That is a good enough reason for me. But if there is something else happening behind the scenes when the patch is applied, we deserve to know.

I agree, this is one of the main reasons I still haven't purchased yet. Also waiting for someone who is kind enough to post some 600m calibration settings. :)

[jbrady3324]

I am not sure my question can answer it self :lesson:

[Magnus_CA]

I am not sure my question can answer it self :lesson:

You know you don't have to buy the patch right? ;)

Turbe already said he would look into the implications of re-patching 10 posts back. He's been asked countless times already and I'm confident he will give us an answer when he's got a better handle of the variables.

[jbrady3324]

You know you don't have to buy the patch right? ;)

Turbe already said he would look into the implications of re-patching 10 posts back. He's been asked countless times already and I'm confident he will give us an answer when he's got a better handle of the variables.

While I am fully aware I do not have to purchase the patch, (as far as I know) the fact that you should not reapply the patch after removing the patch was never advertised before a few initial users bought the patch. Hell, those users could have removed the patch and reapplied the patch and ended up with a broken TV. I mean, what if turbe never mentioned not to repatch and you had a service tech come in to fix your TV.. so you remove the patch, he fixes the TV, you reapply the patch and the TV blows up your house killing your children? :nono:

This is just an question that needs to be answered. What makes it sketchy, is turbe dodged the question for so long.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

.. so you remove the patch, he fixes the TV, you reapply the patch and the TV blows up your house killing your children? :nono:


This is why I dont have kids :rolleyes:

...all I need is children running around with Plasma Burn-in all over their skin :eek:

and the wife there to tell me "I knew we should have went LCD"

[Turbe]

I've went over this already, but I don't want Members getting upset with each other (it's ok for Members to be upset with me)..

Here is what is being offered now:

+ The Patcher Application (will also allow you to remove the Patch).This gives you the ability to apply the Patch (1 time) and to remove it if needed (1 time) for tech visit.... Hopefully, this is clear.

As I posted previously, I will investigate some of the Tech procedures to see if there are concerns for re-patch after tech visit (I won't be posted again about this until I do). I won't give my blessing to anything else beyond the above unless/until I research some of these procedures and do some testing (though it will still be at your own risk).

Right now, I have to support those who have already purchased, release support for Professionals who are waiting with customers ready (not to mention the 9GNE Owners who have been waiting for a feature addon for a lot longer than a week).

-Turbe

[W3bby]

Turbe-

I too am curious about this whole patch/un-patch thing. You are being vague and I hope to get it cleared up once and for all.

1. Can the patch NOT be reapplied AT ALL after removal?

2. If YES to above can you be so kind as to why? I think that it is fair to ALL OF US who are buying to know this reason.

I know you said the patcher/installer can apply it once and take it off once.

3. Can it be reapplied with another license purchase??

I want to know what I am getting into with this modification and possible warranty void to my 3000 dollar Plasma.

I would also like to know the origins of this isf add-on.

4.If you wrote this ISF interface yourself then how would it be endorsed by the ISF??

5. Is it from another pioneer display?

If you took if from another Pioneer model's firmware then you are selling someone else's property...no??
This should be a fair question as well as I am very close to plunking down money on 2 displays to you.

Lee

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Turbe-

I too am curious about this whole patch/un-patch thing. You are being vague and I hope to get it cleared up once and for all.

1. Can the patch NOT be reapplied AT ALL after removal?

2. If YES to above can you be so kind as to why? I think that it is fair to ALL OF US who are buying to know this reason.

I know you said the patcher/installer can apply it once and take it off once.

3. Can it be reapplied with another license purchase??

I want to know what I am getting into with this modification and possible warranty void to my 3000 dollar Plasma.

I would also like to know the origins of this isf add-on.

4.If you wrote this ISF interface yourself then how would it be endorsed by the ISF??

5. Is it from another pioneer display?

If you took if from another Pioneer model's firmware then you are selling someone else's property...no??
This should be a fair question as well as I am very close to plunking down money on 2 displays to you.

Lee


For the record... I think Turbe said all he needs to say in his last post above. If you arent comfortable enough with the info already available then this is obviously not for you.


Also, we dont post purchase prices in any of the forums as I know ControlCAL, AVS, calibration(etc).

to add to that I hope you didnt pay that much for a 500M :rotfl:

[jbrady3324]

For the record... I think he said all he needs to say in his last post above. If you arent comfortable enough with the info already available then this is obviously not for you.


Also, we dont post purchase prices in any of the forums as I know ControlCAL, AVS, calibration(etc).

to add to that I hope you didnt pay that much for a 500M :rotfl:

He has a 600m :)

[W3bby]

For the record... I think Turbe said all he needs to say in his last post above. If you arent comfortable enough with the info already available then this is obviously not for you.


Also, we dont post purchase prices in any of the forums as I know ControlCAL, AVS, calibration(etc).

to add to that I hope you didn't pay that much for a 500M :rotfl:

He has not said anything. He is as good as neo dodging bullets! These are all fair and legit questions and if you don't see that im not sure what to say.

PS I didn't say a purchase price I said what its worth is.


There is a lack of reading comprehension going on around here!

[W3bby]

PS the reason I am asking is that I came here..was reading up on the partch and noticed no real answer to these questions...yet they had been asked. I came here with the intent on buying but was put off by the secrecy.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

PS the reason I am asking is that I came here..was reading up on the partch and noticed no real answer to these questions...yet they had been asked. I came here with the intent on buying but was put off by the secrecy.

well from what I'm seeing if you haven't bought it yet solely because Turbe has yet to flat out tell you exactly what you want hear word for word you probably won't purchase it anyway.

These ISF modes are dumb and a waste of space on my M. I hate them and wish I never ever installed this silly patch :rolleyes:



(that's sarcasm)

[jbrady3324]

Like W3bby I want to make the purchase but I don't want Turbe to come out in a few weeks and say "my bad... this patch may accidentally turn your tv in a black hole". To me, at least, it seems Turbe cannot answer some questions that just makes me wonder if anything else is a mystery regarding the patch. I am not knocking Turbe as I am glad someone figured out how to get the ISF modes unlocked, I am just making a point about the secrecy and sketchiness around the patch.

I don't care what the answers are to these questions, I just think answers are needed and deserved before making the purchase.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

What's going on at AVS?

Edit: mostly crazy talk


I don't understand what the problem/big deal is.

[jbrady3324]

What's going on at AVS?

Edit: mostly crazy talk


I don't understand what the problem/big deal is.

Definitely is, but it is kind of needed to be honest. I like Turbe's work but holy crap someone needs to answer some questions so things can get back to normal

[jbrady3324]

D-Nice said he has repatched his display with no issues..

[Turbe]

1. Can the patch NOT be reapplied AT ALL after removal?

D-Nice said he has repatched his display with no issues..

Early Start :hiya:

That's not an issue and shouldn't be a problem, the question being discussed (or not discussed apparently by me :confused:) is repatching after a service/repair call (no matter if in Warranty or out) and I need to investigate this, I do not advise/recommend you repatch after one. I posted I will be looking into this, it will take time (I'll do some testing on my own KRP-500M).

The Patch (1 Time) and Remove Patch (1 Time) is for those who love to quote parts of my posts and use them for questionable motives (in my view), this is what's been made available and should be acceptable (IMO) to those who may need a service call.

[jbrady3324]

Early Start :hiya:

That's not an issue and shouldn't be a problem, the question being discussed (or not discussed apparently by me :confused:) is repatching after a service/repair call (no matter if in Warranty or out) and I need to investigate this, I do not advise/recommend you repatch after one. I posted I will be looking into this, it will take time (I'll do some testing on my own KRP-500M).

The Patch (1 Time) and Remove Patch (1 Time) is for those who love to quote parts of my posts and use them for questionable motives (in my view), this is what's been made available and should be acceptable (IMO) to those who may need a service call.

Turbe, this is how it all started. Whether or not you meant to, this implied you could not reapply the patch after unpatching for any reason.

Once you Downgrade/Unpatch, I wouldn't advise re-applying the Patch and would like to leave it at that.

Use that option if you have to send in to Repair.

I asked for clarification on the next day. I mean what if a repair guy was coming and you had to unpatch and he did nothing to your TV (maybe replaced your screen or something).. could you repatch? The answer to this was no until your latest post.

[Turbe]

I asked for clarification on the next day. I mean what if a repair guy was coming and you had to unpatch and he did nothing to your TV (maybe replaced your screen or something).. could you repatch?

haha, you are still asking about repair which is what we have been discussing :devil:



:please: No No, if something is replaced (or even their diagnostics are run), I'm advising to not do repatch (I will investigate more). If they don't do anything (and I mean nothing), you should be fine to do repatch.


EDIT: I went back through this Thread and I do see where I totally missed your Post on 7/2. Please understand, that was the first week of Patch release and I was getting slammed for Patch related info/activations (plus my normal ControlCAL support questions/issues). I'm still behind on Activations since there are additional steps I've required that need to be verified for each....

[jbrady3324]

haha, you are still asking about repair which is what we have been discussing :devil:

You implied you could not repatch after you unpatched period. So I wanted to know why. Repair had nothing to do with it. But who cares, you finally answered the question

Yes you can repatch IF the the repair guy did not do any hardware/firmware changes, ect.

That is the answer I was looking for a week ago.

:please: No No, if something is replaced (or even their diagnostics are run), I'm advising to not do repatch (I will investigate more). If they don't do anything (and I mean nothing), you should be fine to do repatch.

That's fine and I agree.

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Someone want to open a "Woodrow Sucks" thread?

[(W)KRP]

If it is worth it to you to pay for a one-time use patch, nothing should stop your purchase. I think most monitors rarely get authorized service under warranty, especially a KRP with a 1-year warranty, or 2-years if you bought with the right credit card for a free extra year or bought an extended warranty, and even then authorized service under warranty has to be rare.

You can wait until Turbe has a better answer, wait to make sure your KRP has no warranty issues after initial setup, wait until someone tries to repatch after service, or just sit quietly and watch your non-ISF KRP.

Enough of the conspiracies and "I gotta know by tommorow" talk. Just sit quietly and watch your non-ISF KRP. You've made your point, and we should get to the answer eventually (hopefully before the introductory price runs out!)

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

amen to that ^!

(W)KRP: you should change your sig dude, I think you need to take another look at it so you know what I mean.

[gvera]

Turbe,

My KRP-500M will arrive by the end of august, I'm in Montevideo, Uruguay and have to import it from USA.
I don't want to miss the 'introductory price' for the patcher, is it safe to wait till then or should I buy it know and send you the agreement after receveing the KRP?

[Turbe]

Wait, just remind me of your Post today :)

[rolling green]

Turbe, purchased the patch today. Was wondering how long before I receive the file?

[J0HNNY H0PK1NS]

Turbe, purchased the patch today. Was wondering how long before I receive the file?

I'd say give it at least till tonight. Turbe still has to create your activation key and passwords etc.