D-Nice ISF Day/Night Settings

[D-Nice]

Please do not post these settings on any other forum without my permission

PRO-111FD
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1750&postcount=1


PRO-151FD
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2161&postcount=1

[Turbe]

7/26/2009 - CURRENT 9G PIONEER ISFccc CALIBRATION WORKFLOW (Posted Here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16891652#post16891652))
by D-Nice


Set peak luminance (Contrast)
Set black level (Brightness)
Adjust grayscale (RGB High/Low)
Adjust CMS
Adjust Gamma
Tweak grayscale (RGB High/Low and CMS)
Adjust Color
Repeat steps 1, 3, 4, 6 and 7 until grayscale and color points are maximized




7/26/2009 - OUTDATED
ISFccc Workflow for the 9G Pioneer (D-Nice).


Set peak luminance (Contrast)
Set black level (Brightness)
Correct grayscale (RGB High/Low)
Fix gamma (9 point gamma controls.....green first followed by red then blue)
Correct color points (CMS controls)
Tweak grayscale (RGB High/Low)
Verify grayscale, gamma, and color points again
Set color saturation (Color)


This is similar to Wolfy's Workflow (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=970&postcount=13) used on the 8G's.

:thumbup:

[D-Nice]

Yep, that's my workflow :)

[surething]

D-Nice

thanks for the great post. :) You know I'm a newbi but my preferred approach is to try to understand first. So, maybe theoretising a question, but I seem to remember from equvalencies of algorithms math tables that critical color points - when compared HD standards for NA and Europe are not much different. Am I correct with this view or I am missing something critical here?

By the way, I decided to go I1pro path afer short exchange with Derek about pros and cons of Chroma5, which is a great meter as you say, anyway. However, I hope I1pro will be less prone to error when used in an ambient light environment - generally assuming a not very strictly light controlled environments. Could you relate to this opinion?

Thanks again. :)

Surething
LX5090
ControlCal RC1 1.41 v.20

[D-Nice]

D-Nice

thanks for the great post. :) You know I'm a newbi but my preferred approach is to try to understand first. So, maybe theoretising a question, but I seem to remember from equvalencies of algorithms math tables that critical color points - when compared HD standards for NA and Europe are not much different. Am I correct with this view or I am missing something critical here?Rec709 is Rec709 regardless of region. PAL is very similar to Rec709, but not identical.

By the way, I decided to go I1pro path afer short exchange with Derek about pros and cons of Chroma5, which is a great meter as you say, anyway. However, I hope I1pro will be less prone to error when used in an ambient light environment - generally assuming a not very strictly light controlled environments. Could you relate to this opinion?Derek is correct regarding the Chroma 5 and use in an ambient light environment (when the probe is not in direct contact with the screen). However, I don't trust the i1pro in the same enviornment unless it is in direct contact with the screen.

[surething]

D-Nice

during these calibrations for ISF Day/Night, what method of benchmark color / pattern generation did you use? DVD or Pattern Generator or else...?

By the way, ISF-Night at my LX5090 ...it is simply a touch of magic !!! Thank you again!

I did also look at non-ControlCal settings for D65 you published. I have a difficulty to accept that one. Maybe it is my taste, maybe it is that european units do not have A/V option Pure (we have to use User instead). Anyway, there is a slight but visible "blue plus" to everything, which is what makes things worse, in my eyes, than your former setting. However, it does not matter probably, as the A/V option is not comparable here, as I mentioned.

surething
LX5090
ControlCal RC1 1.41 v.20

[Saladshooter]

D-Nice... does your lack of adjustment of the 9 point gamma settings mean that the individual RGB gammas are spot on? Or is this an area you are not comfortable adjusting?

[D-Nice]

D-Nice... does your lack of adjustment of the 9 point gamma settings mean that the individual RGB gammas are spot on? Or is this an area you are not comfortable adjusting?Did you read the calibration reports I posted? Read them and tell me why I need to touch them :)

[D-Nice]

D-Nice

during these calibrations for ISF Day/Night, what method of benchmark color / pattern generation did you use? DVD or Pattern Generator or else...?

By the way, ISF-Night at my LX5090 ...it is simply a touch of magic !!! Thank you again!

I did also look at non-ControlCal settings for D65 you published. I have a difficulty to accept that one. Maybe it is my taste, maybe it is that european units do not have A/V option Pure (we have to use User instead). Anyway, there is a slight but visible "blue plus" to everything, which is what makes things worse, in my eyes, than your former setting. However, it does not matter probably, as the A/V option is not comparable here, as I mentioned.

surething
LX5090
ControlCal RC1 1.41 v.20Pattern generator: Accupel 3000. You cannot use Pure mode settings on your LX5090 (no Pure mode). I don't even think you should be using the ISF settings I posted as the EU models have completely different firmware.

[Turbe]

You cannot use Pure mode settings on your LX5090 (no Pure mode). I don't even think you should be using the ISF settings I posted as the EU models have completely different firmware.

It would be interesting to see someone's results using an I1 Pro and CalMAN with your ISF Settings on the European Models... hopefully someone will check and post the report(s).. :D

[surething]

As soon as I purchase my I1Pro I and CalMan I will share with all. Actually, I think it would be interesting to see reports for ALL D-Nice settings (apart from those addressing "color plus" issue, though these could be educative as much for sure).

However, the longer I watch the intricacies of measurement, the more questions arises about comparability of measurements - I mean a chain of equipment. For instance, gamma measured by me on my unit with BR player patern and electronics versus D-Nice gamma measured with PR-655 and Accupel 3000 generator -what kind of univocality of results is that? I think, none. Correct me, if I'm wrong. :rolleyes:

More information gives you the input that ISF-Night LOOKS great on LX5090 - you know you can recommend it as so so safe an option for EU guys. Of course supported by report from f.e. CalMan with I1Pro showing FLAT lined a unit characacteristics. Otherwise I may be suffering from crossed-eye effect but nobody could tell ...:D

Of course, I will when I can. :)

surething
LX5090
ControlCal RC1 1.41 v.20

[Saladshooter]

Did you read the calibration reports I posted? Read them and tell me why I need to touch them :)


The gamma average at all points looks great.... however without looking at the individual primaries there is no way to determine if they could be tweaked further. This is why Calman should provide a chart that plots the red, blue, and green gamma individually as well as the average of the three.

[D-Nice]

The gamma average at all points looks great.... however without looking at the individual primaries there is no way to determine if they could be tweaked further. This is why Calman should provide a chart that plots the red, blue, and green gamma individually as well as the average of the three. If you are trying to compare it to HCFR, well, that's cool. However and IMO, CalMAN is FAR better than HCFR. I'm a numbers man. I don't need pretty charts to plot numbers :)

[Saladshooter]

If you are trying to compare it to HCFR, well, that's cool. However and IMO, CalMAN is FAR better than HCFR. I'm a numbers man. I don't need pretty charts to plot numbers :)

I use both Calman and HCFR. Calman is superior but individual RGB gamma is not just a superficial thing and should be included to help achieve the correct gamma for each color. The pure numbers are great but visuals help get in the ballpark first. If that was included along with couple of other minor things would never open HCFR again.

[D-Nice]

I use both Calman and HCFR. Calman is superior but individual RGB gamma is not just a superficial thing and should be included to help achieve the correct gamma for each color. The pure numbers are great but visuals help get in the ballpark first. If that was included along with couple of other minor things would never open HCFR again.If you feel that individual RGB gamma would be beneficial to CalMAN, why are you not over on their forums suggesting it :)

At any rate, the gamma on the 9G elites to not need to be touched. After extensive testing of the 9 piont gamma controls on the 9G Elites, you should not try to give each channel a different setting (ex. 30% RGB should not be something like 3,0,-1). Doing so is asking for trouble on the 9Gs.

[Saladshooter]

If you feel that individual RGB gamma would be beneficial to CalMAN, why are you not over on their forums suggesting it :)

I do and I will. I have been making suggestions as issues arise for me.

At any rate, the gamma on the 9G elites to not need to be touched. After extensive testing of the 9 piont gamma controls on the 9G Elites, you should not try to give each channel a different setting (ex. 30% RGB should not be something like 3,0,-1). Doing so is asking for trouble on the 9Gs.

This is the answer I was looking for in the first place. If you have tested it extensively, I won't waste my time.

[Saladshooter]

D-Nice... is there a reason why you use the Rec709 standard instead of an edited color profile for the Pioneer? The secondary colors would be at slightly different locations.

[Blutarsky]

D-Nice, a curiosity: in your experience, how much do two identical series/model panels differ in terms of calibration settings?

I mean is there a reasonable variation percentage that justifies using pre-defined calibration settings?

[mlaun]

It would be interesting to see someone's results using an I1 Pro and CalMAN with your ISF Settings on the European Models... hopefully someone will check and post the report(s).. :D

now that i finaly got a hold of a serial cable and the usb adapter, i'll be able to do that :) busy with work right now but hope to do so this week.

[mlaun]

Was going to try it this morning. Everything went well with controlcal, got all the settings set, ended calibration. So then i wanted to test it and ... I can't choose an isf-mode with the remote control.

I'm wondering, I have the european 5090H Model with the new black and white user interface. Anybody know how i can access isf for the av-selection?

thx

[mlaun]

:oops:OOOPPPS sorry. was my mistake. I forget to hit the save settings button on the the little extras window. Now it works.

I got d-nice's settings in. When i have a little time i'll do a calman session on them and post the results here. When eye-balling the settings they seem quite good but a touch redder then my calibrated movie settings.

[Turbe]

Others have done that as well... :)

:please: Update your Forum's signature with your Display Model information...

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/profile.php?do=editsignature

[D-Nice]

I don't like to edit color profiles. To me, it's like fudging the numbers.

D-Nice... is there a reason why you use the Rec709 standard instead of an edited color profile for the Pioneer? The secondary colors would be at slightly different locations.

[D-Nice]

Good question. I calibrated an AVS user's 111FD last night. He followed the recommended break-in procedure and has been using my Pure mode settings. I measured his panel with my Pure mode settings and.....I'll let him post the results on AVS Forum :)
D-Nice, a curiosity: in your experience, how much do two identical series/model panels differ in terms of calibration settings?

I mean is there a reasonable variation percentage that justifies using pre-defined calibration settings?

[mlaun]

OK D-Nice's isf settings don't work on the euro models, at least not on my 5090H

here are measurements with his setting applied for isf-Day

[Turbe]

Of course, this is as expected (D-Nice even suggests not using his settings on the European Models)... thank you for doing the to test (I was very curious) :thumbup:

When you get done calibrating with the ISFccc Interface, create a new Thread in this Forum (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22) and please Post your results.

If you want to Post your actual ISF Day/Night/Auto Settings (I have not seen any Posted ISF Day/Night/Auto Settings for the LX5090H yet), I've created a Sub-Forum for this (below)... you can then link between the Results Post and the Settings Post which will keep everything clean and organized. :clap:

User Posted Settings Sub Forum:
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

OK D-Nice's isf settings don't work on the euro models, at least not on my 5090H

[Lalakis]

Yesterday i've finish the break-in period, in the next days i make a full check in my PDP-LX5090H with the settings of D-Nice, but from what i have see till now and from the first checks (i1 pro, CalMAN, ColorHCRF) this settings is very close to reference (special ISF Night).
Mlaun, your model from what country is product?

[mlaun]

5090H Germany.

[PioFreak]

I have the 5090, and I was under the impression that Movie mode was the best picture mode. User picture mode does not have any advantage, does it?

Also, D-Nice....you have talked about greater ftl light output while still maintaining a ruler flat grayscale and gamma when using the ISF mode. I have also noticed that the contrast setting in for your ISF settings is lower than the contrast setting in your Pure mode reference settings. how are you achieving greater ftl with a lower contrast setting?

[wattsup]

D-Nice,

Can I input your ISF-Day settings in the ISF-Auto memory for an input in order to get the "Auto" feature to work? Are there any other settings that need to be changed in order to get this "Auto" feature to work as designed?

I am guessing that the only other setting that need to be adjusted is the Room Light Sensor,(go to Setup then Option then Room Light Sensor located on Page 2) where you can select Mode 1 which automatically adjusts the brightness of the image, or Mode 2 which automatically adjusts image brightness and color, or Off which shuts off the brightness sensor.

Additionally, if you want to create an input memory with your own fixed settings, you would have to set Room Light Sensor to Off and unplug the color sensor.

D-Nice, please ascertain the accuracy of the above comments.

Thank you for all your knowledge sharing in this forum.

I am using ControlCAL on an Elite 151.

wattsup

[LebEryo]

I'm actually very interested in the answer to this myself.

D-Nice,

Can I input your ISF-Day settings in the ISF-Auto memory for an input in order to get the "Auto" feature to work? Are there any other settings that need to be changed in order to get this "Auto" feature to work as designed?

I am guessing that the only other setting that need to be adjusted is the Room Light Sensor,(go to Setup then Option then Room Light Sensor located on Page 2) where you can select Mode 1 which automatically adjusts the brightness of the image, or Mode 2 which automatically adjusts image brightness and color, or Off which shuts off the brightness sensor.

Additionally, if you want to create an input memory with your own fixed settings, you would have to set Room Light Sensor to Off and unplug the color sensor.

D-Nice, please ascertain the accuracy of the above comments.

Thank you for all your knowledge sharing in this forum.

I am using ControlCAL on an Elite 151.

wattsup

[Ruiner46]

I spoke to D-Nice over PM at AVSForum about this same issue. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reprinting his responses.

Finally, are your settings for ISF-Auto similar to ISF-Day or completely different?They are the same as ISF-Day.



One more question, with ISF Auto, do you have both the light sensor and the color sensor turned on in the setup menu? With the sensors on, do they affect other modes, specifically ISF Day and ISF Night?
There is no need to turn those sensors on as they already are active with ISF-Auto. For the best results, you do have to turn on intellegence for ISF-Auto mode.

[wattsup]

Ruiner46,

Thanks for your very helpful reply.

Answers to questions often generate new questions, so here it goes:

Since the light and color sensors are turned on automatically in ISF Auto mode, how does one shut off the sensors in this mode in order to allow the ISF Auto memory to act as another "regular ISF" memory for which you don't want the light and color sensors to remain on?

wattsup

[Turbe]

Try unplugging the Color Sensor (does not apply to the Monitors) and disable Intelligent Mode (in ISFccc).

[LebEryo]

There are two modes for the color sensor though. I believe, placing it in Mode1 allows it to adjust only the brightness setting based on ambient lighting, keeping your color settings as they are. Or, does turning on ISF-Auto and Intelligence mode automatically turn on the color sensor as well?

[Ruiner46]

ISF Auto only contains one Intelligence mode, it's either on or off.

[LebEryo]

ISF Auto only contains one Intelligence mode, it's either on or off.

Does that mean it will be adjusting color as well? Even after we take so much time in calibrating color? That seems counter productive to me. I was thinking that its only benefit would be in it setting up brightness according to ambient light.

[Ruiner46]

I agree, and I don't know the answer to your question. I think that is why Turbe recommends unplugging the color sensor above.

I would use ISF Day or ISF Night if you want to make sure that the sensors do not affect the picture. I only use ISF Auto for normal cable TV viewing and I use ISF Day or ISF Night when watching a Bluray, or some other 1080p native source.

[D-Nice]

Does that mean it will be adjusting color as well? Even after we take so much time in calibrating color? That seems counter productive to me. I was thinking that its only benefit would be in it setting up brightness according to ambient light.ISF will chance the color if you have the color sensor connected. It adjusts the color based on your room environment and the settings you save in it's memory. I'm not sure why you would think it would be damaging the color fidelity due to said above.

[Gixxer1]

D-nice,

What screen setting are you using with the ISF Day/Night modes, Dot-by-Dot or full?

Also do you have quite a bit of ambient light where you calibrated the 111's ISF modes? I'm asking this because I want to activate the ISF modes on my 111 and use your current settings but I have a large window to the side of the panel that lets in quite a bit of light even with the curtains closed. I have ordered light blocking curtains though.

Thanks

[D-Nice]

D-nice,

What screen setting are you using with the ISF Day/Night modes, Dot-by-Dot or full?

Also do you have quite a bit of ambient light where you calibrated the 111's ISF modes? I'm asking this because I want to activate the ISF modes on my 111 and use your current settings but I have a large window to the side of the panel that lets in quite a bit of light even with the curtains closed. I have ordered light blocking curtains though.

ThanksI have two 6'x6' windows right beside the 111FD. Ambient light is not an issue for the Kuros.

[Gixxer1]

Good!Mind you I doo notice that the blacks are a bit grey whe the sun is shining on the panel partially.

So If I use your ISF settings my panel should be close to 95% of a good pro calibration than?

Oh what screen size are you using?

I have two 6'x6' windows right beside the 111FD. Ambient light is not an issue for the Kuros.

[PioFreak]

D-Nice.....

I have a 5090, which I know doesn't exactly correlate to the NA Elite....but I have found that the ideal settings for the 5090 in Movie mode are almost exactly what you come up with in your 9G settings in AVS forum. I am using DVE BR edition, and my eye using lots of content...and I find that the best settings I can manage are just about what your are, the only real differnece is the tweaks that you make to teh CMS, which I find uneccessary....I leave them all zeroed for now. Although I understand you are using equipment that measures various factors much more exact than my eye, and I tweak more once I get the i1pro. My point is that the sets must have some close similarities.

I have activated ISF day and night via Controlcal, and I was wondering what you found as the basic differences between Pure (which correlates pretty well to Movie mode on the 5090 I believe) mode and the ISF night and day modes.

I have only played around with ISF Day and night for one night now, and I will fiddle a bit more, but my initial impressions so far are that:

Neither ISF mode produces a better picture than Movie mode. They are both naturally "brighter" and require a lower contrast setting. But the shadow details are nearly perfect in Movie mode, but there seems to be bit of shadow detail loss in ISF day and night when compared to Movie mode. It is as if the ISF day and night mode share the gamma curves of standard mode. The bright areas are a little too bright and the dark areas a bit too dark.

Have you found this at all, and what are you thoughts on the 9 point gamma controls. I fiddled a bit, but didn't find anything that seemed too useful. Will play more tonite.

Also, there is no Gamma 1, 2, or 3 option in ControlCal?

[Turbe]

I replied to your questions HERE (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1846&postcount=9)

[zaks]

D-Nice,

for your isfDay and isfNight settings, how does the color decoder look? In other words, did you check with a blue filter? I found if I touch the CMS controls then it won't look right with a blue filter...

If one excludes the other, what would you give priority: correct color decoder performance or a more accurate color gamut?

Thanks

[D-Nice]

D-Nice,

for your isfDay and isfNight settings, how does the color decoder look? In other words, did you check with a blue filter? I found if I touch the CMS controls then it won't look right with a blue filter...

If one excludes the other, what would you give priority: correct color decoder performance or a more accurate color gamut?

ThanksThere is nothing wrong with the color decoder on the 9G Elites. Please keep in mind that the CMS on the Elites is no more than a tint control and cannot correct any color decoder issues.

I have found that moving the CMS control +-2 clicks can cause serious issues with the grayscale. Also with the Kuros, one should calibrate the grayscale first, then calibrate the colors. Reversing that order will cause serious issues in the grayscale.

[zaks]

Sorry, I should've been more clear: the CalMAN documentation uses the "color decoder" terminology when it talks about adjusting "color" (saturation) and "tint" (hue) controls.

So what I meant was whether or not you make those adjustments with a blue filter or if you only go by measurement data (i.e. getting the dE of the secondaries as low as possible)?

I basically set the saturation and hue with the help of a blue filter and got the test patter to look spot on. The secondaries are close to their targets (below 2 dE); trying to nudge the secondaries even closer using the CMS at this point will however screw up the blue filter test pattern again...

For now I'm not using the CMS controls and am quite happy with the results.

[D-Nice]

No filters here :) Instruments only.

Sorry, I should've been more clear: the CalMAN documentation uses the "color decoder" terminology when it talks about adjusting "color" (saturation) and "tint" (hue) controls.

So what I meant was whether or not you make those adjustments with a blue filter or if you only go by measurement data (i.e. getting the dE of the secondaries as low as possible)?

I basically set the saturation and hue with the help of a blue filter and got the test patter to look spot on. The secondaries are close to their targets (below 2 dE); trying to nudge the secondaries even closer using the CMS at this point will however screw up the blue filter test pattern again...

For now I'm not using the CMS controls and am quite happy with the results.

[beowulf58]

Have settings been posted for the PRO 110FD? Or are the 111FD settings appropriate?

[buster]

Please understand that I say this with the most respect for professional calibrators , hobbyists , and all of us that are involved in this time of leap frog advancements in all the technologies. That said ! ..............It truly saddens me to read these forums and realize that most of you if not virtually all of you " NEED TO BE TOLD YOU'RE HAVING FUN ". You are all so wrapped up in the technology( " the color is set at +4 not +5 ") you really forgot what this is all about . I think most of you use your A/V gear as an extension of your manhood and if you can accept self truths realize you rarely enjoy the artistic endeavours of the people that make this entertainment or their final product. I'm sure many will disagree with me .That's why we love this Country , right ?

[Blutarsky]

YOU'RE HAVING FUN

Yes, we do! :)

[SOG9]

Greetings to all. This is my first post on this forum.

I posted the following in the AVS forum, but didn't get any responses :confused::

"Yesterday, I activated the ISF-Day and Night modes on my 111FD using ControlCAL. I entered D-Nice's settings (thanks D-Nice) for both modes.

My impressions:

ISF-Day looks a little brighter than Pure (using D-Nice's Pure mode settings). It's not a great difference, but it is brighter. To me, Optimum looks like it has more punch, but I know that comes at several costs. I like ISF-Day, but it's just not a great an increase in brightness as I had expected. Does anybody concur with this?

ISF-Night looks very similar to Pure mode. I haven't done an extensive comparison, but I am having a hard time telling the difference between ISF-Night and Pure. It looks to me, like ISF-Night is a little more dim than Pure. Any thoughts on what the differences are?"

Did I do something wrong, or is what I am seeing to be expected?

[Turbe]

The key is how accurate is it/does it look to you vs Optimum (which is terrible BTW, at least from the ones I've seen and from Posts I've read from other Owners and Professionals)..

If you used D-Nice's settings they are meant to get you closer to D65 (of course with more light output for his isf Day settings) but even he posts his settings are no substitution for proper calibration. Proper calibration does take in account your sources and environment (including room lighting conditions). Without proper equipment, we/you don't know how your specific panel performs before and after using those settings (Pioneer's tolerance should be +-5% but D-Nice posted about an Odd One (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15904552#post15904552)).

I have seen a few Posts where owners preferred Optimum but this is hard for me to understand why except with the knowledge that many are used to watching their displays in a torch like mode.

What are some of the Blu-ray Titles you have watched and compared the different Memories/Modes (Pure, isf Night, isf Day etc)..?

You probably didn't do anything wrong, you may want to verify/REFRESH your isf Day settings, what is the Contrast set at? Double check all your ISFccc settings. :)

Here's what others have posted (including those who have had a Professional Calibration):

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97


.

[leftkidney]

so I have used these settings and IMO the whites look to warm - or there is to much red or something like that

when compaired to PURE or ifs modes set to the mid color space

[SOG9]

The key is how accurate is it/does it look to you vs Optimum (which is terrible BTW, at least from the ones I've seen and from Posts I've read from other Owners and Professionals)..

If you used D-Nice's settings they are meant to get you closer to D65 (of course with more light output for his isf Day settings) but even he posts his settings are no substitution for proper calibration. Proper calibration does take in account your sources and environment (including room lighting conditions). Without proper equipment, we/you don't know how your specific panel performs before and after using those settings (Pioneer's tolerance should be +-5% but D-Nice posted about an Odd One (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15904552#post15904552)).

I have seen a few Posts where owners preferred Optimum but this is hard for me to understand why except with the knowledge that many are used to watching their displays in a torch like mode.

What are some of the Blu-ray Titles you have watched and compared the different Memories/Modes (Pure, isf Night, isf Day etc)..?

You probably didn't do anything wrong, you may want to verify/REFRESH your isf Day settings, what is the Contrast set at? Double check all your ISFccc settings. :)

Here's what others have posted (including those who have had a Professional Calibration):

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=97


.

Turbe, thanks for the response. Let me say that the ISF modes look great and ControlCAL was very much worth the donation. I posted the brightness question because I'm not knowledgeable enough yet about brightness levels and reading D-Nice's calibration reports, to be able to tell if his settings for ISF-Night should be producing a brighter picture than his settings for Pure. If I knew that my situation was confirmed by his calibration reports, then I am good to go.

I checked and rechecked my settings after I was done entering them, and I even took photos of the ControlCAL screen. My contrast is set at 18. I was very slow and deliberate when I was using ControlCAL ('cause I didn't want to mess up), so I am confident with my settings.

So I guess my question is: According to D-Nice's calibration reports, should ISF-Night be just a touch less bright than Pure?

[Turbe]

So I guess my question is: According to D-Nice's calibration reports, should ISF-Night be just a touch less bright than Pure?

Yes, the Pure Settings he posted here are 38fL and his isf Night Settings posted here are at 29 fL. Pure has more light output.

His isf Night settings are for a dim light controlled room (critical viewing).

His isf Day settings have more light output than his Pure Settings.

[SOG9]

Yes, the Pure Settings he posted here are 38fL and his isf Night Settings posted here are at 29 fL. Pure has more light output.

His isf Night settings are for a dim light controlled room (critical viewing).

His isf Day settings have more light output than his Pure Settings.

GREAT! That is what I needed to know. Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, what is D-Nice's fL reading for ISF-Day?

[D-Nice]

GREAT! That is what I needed to know. Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, what is D-Nice's fL reading for ISF-Day?50fL

[SOG9]

5fL5fL:confused:

[leftkidney]

I tried the d-nice settings for ISF day/night and the whites look to warm - I dont have a color meter anymore so I cant check it, but it looks like its to red when I compare it to pure mode with color space set to med

is it just me or what

[Turbe]

Have you double checked all settings?

Perhaps it's time to consider a proper calibration DIY.. :D

[D-Nice]

I tried the d-nice settings for ISF day/night and the whites look to warm - I dont have a color meter anymore so I cant check it, but it looks like its to red when I compare it to pure mode with color space set to med

is it just me or whatA color temp setting of Mid is NOT anywhere near D65. Mid is 8500K+.

[leftkidney]

I didnt know that mid was 8500k - but I have a CRT that is calibrated about 2 years ago to 6500k by a ISF dude and when I lugged that thing into my room and put it under my 111 and that is how I compared it

I have very warm lighting in the room - it is yellowish looking

also while watching Planet Earth on Blu-ray the snow looks not white, sorta like it is to red looking - now I just checked and pure set to mid looks blueish IMO so I set it to mid-low (low looks redish)

I know I have to get this done correctly I only have a Minolta ML-100 light meter and I will talk to a friend who has a Minolta CL-200 chroma meter

using my SONY HVR-V1U and use the component out I can compare "real life" to what I see on the TV and I cant seem to get it correct looking - I know this isnt the best way to do things but until I get a chroma meter thats all I can do

[jmschnur]

I have two 6'x6' windows right beside the 111FD. Ambient light is not an issue for the Kuros.

If ambeint ight is not an issue with the Kuros, what is the recommended use of the day versus the night settings?

Joel

[pj121391]

OK took my 2nd baby step and Calibrated both Input 4 & 5 with D-Nice's settings on my 111. I will have to watch a few Bluray that i've already watched in Pure Mode during Break in period to see the difference's.

[Turbe]

If ambeint ight is not an issue with the Kuros, what is the recommended use of the day versus the night settings?

Joel

Why not clone your isf Night Memory except use a different Pure Cinema settings? :clap:

[leftkidney]

I am wondering why people are needing to calibrate more than 1 input (2 if you have a computer but not using the vga since it dont even support a 16x9 image at full res, but using HDMI) why not get a receiver that has HDMI switching - I assume you arent using the speakers on the TV - ugh they are not cool

[jmschnur]

Why not clone your isf Night Memory except use a different Pure Cinema settings? :clap:

I have put my day settings into isf auto then set pure cinema to smooth for isf auto.

Are you suggesting that Day is not as useful as night for typical viewing?

I have no window light but of course we do have reading lights in the room which we typically use for most viewing except for DVDs.

I am also confused about the relative merits of day versus night for home use.

Joel

[Turbe]

isf Night and isf Day are just labels and really meaningless. Unfortunately, we can't change the name of these labels. You can setup each memory any way you want.

If a room has ambient light issues at times, then set one of the memories (most use isf Day) for more light output (it's easy to see the benefits of the ISFccc Interface when >40fL is needed). If the room doesn't have ambient light issues or you don't want to setup one memory for more light output, setup Pure Cinema differently. Some even setup a memory to a different color temp, for SD or different gamma.

Very flexible, your choice.

[Turbe]

I am wondering why people are needing to calibrate more than 1 input (2 if you have a computer but not using the vga since it dont even support a 16x9 image at full res, but using HDMI) why not get a receiver that has HDMI switching - I assume you arent using the speakers on the TV - ugh they are not cool

Many go direct from source to display. Some AVRs alter the video. Some people of older AVRs, some want more memories (which you get when you add an additional Input) for more setup options. I have 2 Inputs used for the purpose of having more ISFccc memories (currently using one Input's memories for my DIY calibration sessions).

[pj121391]

I set up D-nice's ISF Night settings last night and everything looks really Great. Just a Question do most people set Zoom to 2?? It was not in his listing to what he used?

[Turbe]

:hiya:

Screen Size/Zoom is not actually saved, it's a dynamic setting and can be changed at anytime with the Remote Control and even Input Signal. It's in the Profile for convenience. :devil:

[rmongiovi]

I have found that moving the CMS control +-2 clicks can cause serious issues with the grayscale. Also with the Kuros, one should calibrate the grayscale first, then calibrate the colors. Reversing that order will cause serious issues in the grayscale.

D-Nice, since your recommended settings do include moving the CMS controls 2 clicks, I was wondering if you could comment on how you chose your values? Was it all trial and error?

[fabiolegnahito]

Hello,
i want try the d-nice on my 5090h, but i find 2 different settings in isf-night mode, 1 with all the gamma set at -1 other with gamma set to 0, which is the last?
many thanks
fabio

[jmschnur]

Why not clone your isf Night Memory except use a different Pure Cinema settings? :clap:

good idea!

[alvartin1]

Hello, I am new to this forum and would like to thank Turbe for his fast responses and help in getting up and running with ControlCal!!!
I used D-Nice's IFS-Day and IFS-Night settings and am stunned at my Pro-151!!!
Thank You Turbe and D-Nice for your contributions to this forum!!!

I tweaked my settings using Spears & Munsil Calibration Blu-ray. All I did was from the Pluge Low: I set my Brightness +1.
I could not see the block pattern of reference black and +1 reference black until adjusting the brightness +1. I can barely see it now in a totally dark room.

I assume that each individual set may need tweaking from D-Nice's settings???

[fabiolegnahito]

hello
can you help me?
with the isf day and auto setting when i watch the football match i see that the colour green of the field change (like flash in dark and bright), if i set the av sport the problem dissapears.
probably there is a setting that i should not change??
many thanks
Fabio

[Turbe]

What is your Pure Cinema Setting? Have you tried Off and/or Standard?

[fabiolegnahito]

Hi Turbe
my cinema setting is off.
I don't think that it's the problem because in av sport also is off and with this av i don't have the flashing problem but i want use isf day or auto not sport!!

[Turbe]

Are you in a Country where 50hz is used? What is your Drive Mode set at?

[fabiolegnahito]

Italy,
drive mode 2(with 1-3 the motion is not good)

[Turbe]

Before you switch to the ISFccc Memory, did you verify that you have Drive Mode Set to 2? You may want to see if anyone else is seeing this Here (http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1194&t=29905466&p=172520003#p172520003)

[Michaelmorio]

Hello,

I used D-Nice's settings for my Elite 111FD. My DVD player is Toshiba HD-XA2. It connects with Onkyo 805 through HDMI cable then from Onkyo to Elite through HDMI. Onkyo has Farodja video processor built-in. Does anyone know if D-Nice's setting should be changed because of Onkyo (or even Toshiba)? If so please tell me what to change. Thank you.

Michaelmorio

[Turbe]

His settings for generic for HD sources including Blu Ray and HD DVD. Of course, a Source could require a change in settings (including in the Source itself). I suggest you do get yourself a meter (EyeOne Pro or Chroma 5) and do a proper calibration with software like CalMAN (or ColorHCFR with the EyeONe Pro).

-Turbe

[TheMessiah]

Can I actually use these settings with an European KRP-500M?
At the moment I have no other possibilities of getting a proper ISF calibration here in Austria :(

[Turbe]

No, the 9G Monitors have extended ranges on many Controls.

[Leonardo629]

Turbe,

I just made the donation for ControlCal for my 151FD, and I got a quick question for you.

D-Nice once mentioned the ISF day/night settings available in this forum is mainly for 151FD made in 2008...my 151FD is made in Feb 2009. Does this mean I won't get accurate result if I use D-Nice's settings as a starting point? I think the problem is due the difference between '08/'09 panels, and this prevents correct gamma setting if I want to use his settings.

[Turbe]

Of course, it's best if you get a meter and DIY.

Check out this Thread in regards what you may or may not be able to do by eye (calibration discs):

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=370


.

[Goofoff]

Would the Pro-111FD settings be changed at all with this latest firmware update that pioneer put out a month or 2 ago?

[Turbe]

No

[hglass]

Can someone (D-Nice or Turbe) please give me the ISF setting for day and night for the Elite 141fd moniter. My Blue Ray is a Pioneer Elite BDR-09FD. The moniter was manufactured April 2009

[Turbe]

Can someone (D-Nice or Turbe) please give me the ISF setting for day and night for the Elite 141fd moniter. My Blue Ray is a Pioneer Elite BDR-09FD. The moniter was manufactured April 2009

:devil:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/tags.php?tag=pro-141fd

:thumbsup:

[voyager6]

Hello,

I used D-Nice's settings for my Elite 111FD. My DVD player is Toshiba HD-XA2. It connects with Onkyo 805 through HDMI cable then from Onkyo to Elite through HDMI. Onkyo has Farodja video processor built-in. Does anyone know if D-Nice's setting should be changed because of Onkyo (or even Toshiba)? If so please tell me what to change. Thank you.

Michaelmorio

In the HD-XA2, there are three picture control memories that allow for adjustment of the output, including filtering. So does my Denon DVD-2500BCTI BluRay player. Before using any calibration disc, set the picture settings to off, or neutral or else any other device through that AV receiver won't be optimum.

I have both players set to go through an AV receiver. I calibrate with the XA2 because the AVCHD BR calibration discs don't play in my BR players. I do have BR DVE and check the results with that after calibration and adjust in the BR player so both sources are good. Generally, I don't have to touch the BR player output settings.

[phoffman78]

D-Nice

Will you be posting settings for the KRP-600M (North America)?

[Turbe]

I think he's going to do 101FD settings then maybe Patched 600M settings later :thumbsup:

[Jiggs]

I think he's going to do 101FD settings then maybe Patched 600M settings later :thumbsup:

D-nice can you please post some 101FD ISF settings. Thanks!

[kosta20071]

D-Nice,
can you please post ISF settings for 428XD/XG .
I really want to get Controlcal but can't find 428XD isf callibration settings using 709REC .
I saw the settings someone posted in "Post your settings" forum but he used PAL/Secam color space.
Thanks.

[Lineker]

Hi all,
Can you please post some LX6090 europan settings. Thanks...
151fd isf settings for lx6090??
This settings use my 6090??

[Turbe]

Lineker, did you search for your Model here?

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49



.

[Lineker]

Yes Turbe,
But not LX 6090 settings here,isf day or night settings here or 6020 just movie mode (6020=6090)???
İ use AV user Manuel settings. Can i use settings isf 151 fd ,for my panel LX6090
What the different isf mode vs user AV mode(I settings not gamma details just gamma settings 1-2-3 )
Thanks

[Turbe]

151FD is totally different than the LX6090..

LX6090 calibration data and settings are posted in that forum I linked above, specifically:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397

D-Nice doesn't work on European Displays, only North American Models.