ISF Settings European 5090H (9G)

[mlaun]

Pioneer 9G Elite ISF-Day Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Day
Contrast: 35
Brightness: 1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15
Pure Cinema: Off
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Color Space: 2
CTI: Off
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High -2
G High -1
B High +2
R Low -1
G Low 0
B Low 0

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G -1
C 0
B 0
M -1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0


Pioneer 9G Elite ISF-Night Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 25
Brightness: 0
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15
Pure Cinema: Off
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Color Space: 2
CTI: Off
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High -2
G High 0
B High +2
R Low -1
G Low 0
B Low 0

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G -1
C 0
B 0
M -1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

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[JavierS]

Hi Mlaun,

Those are some impressive charts! I also have a 5090H and use HCFR + D2 LT (profiled for my Pio with a firend's i1 Pro) and although my results are good, they are not that good looking, I just got my controlcal activation and I'm looking forward to improve them. If you could upload you measures file I could load it and check your results in detail, if possible, can you paste your CHC file or PM it to me?

Cheers,

Javier

[PioFreak]

Hi Mlaun,

I have a 5090, and I was told the only difference between that and the 5090h is the MPEG-4 tuner. Is that true? I currently use movie mode. Does user mode offer any advantage?

Have you seen any picture quality improvement at all that the ISF mode affords over the regular picture modes. D-Nice is saying that he is achieving higher ftl light output while maintaining gamma and greyscale curves. So, more pop and depth to the picture.

[Turbe]

Hi PioFreak :hiya:

The 5090 has 2 memories Per Input available (ISF Day, ISF Night)
The 5090H Has 3 memories Per Input available (ISF Day, ISF Night, ISF Auto).

[PioFreak]

Hi PioFreak :hiya:

The 5090 has 2 memories Per Input available (ISF Day, ISF Night)
The 5090H Has 3 memories Per Input available (ISF Day, ISF Night, ISF Auto).

Thanks. :)

[JavierS]

I started using controlcal this weekend when I finally got my laptop -> TV link working.
What I found after running a greyscale check really shocked me:

Luminance:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Jackal29/lum1.jpg

Gamma:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Jackal29/gamma1.jpg

This were much, much worse than what I was getting in movie mode. Using movie mode luminance was almost spot on and gamma a bit low but allmost straight with an average value of 2.19. When I saw the above charts I changed back to movie mode and run all the tests again but they still were good. I spent all my saturday's free time (3 little children in the house) trying to figure out what the .... was going on in ISF modes. Then in the upteenth configuration check I found (silly me) I had the power configuration in mode 2, changed to off and retested. This time I got this:

Luminance:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Jackal29/lum2.jpg

Gamma:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Jackal29/gamma2.jpg

Why doesn't Mode2 affect Movie mode as it affects ISF modes? anyone knows?

On the other hand, with Mode2 powersave on I was getting this (not that bad and no green clipping over 90 IRE):

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Jackal29/rgb1.jpg

Due to lack of time I couldn't tweak RGB Levels properly with Power Save off and got this:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Jackal29/rgb2.jpg

The Cuts aren't quite there yet, I hope I'll find the time to fix this some time this week. CIE dE are all bellow 5.6 (beeing magenta the worst offender others range from 5.1 to bellow 1.3) , as I'm using a D2 LT with a profile file made with an i1 Pro for my TV (have to recheck because I think the Pro had been over 20 min without recalibration) there are some measures I don't quite trust, specially primaries and secondaries. On the 18th a friend is going to come over with his Pro and we'll find out waht can be achieved with my 5090H.

[PioFreak]

Please keep us informed!:thumbsup:

ADMIN EDIT: Deleted the quoted text.

[PioFreak]

I have a 5090, which I know doesn't exactly correlate to the NA Elite....but I have found that the ideal settings for the 5090 in Movie mode are almost exactly what D-Nice came up with in his 9G settings in AVS forum. I am using DVE BR edition, and my eye using lots of content...and I find that the best settings I can manage are just about what he gets, the only real differnece is the tweaks that he made to the CMS, which I find uneccessary....I leave them all zeroed for now. Although I understand he is using equipment that measures various factors much more exact than my eye, and I tweak more once I get the i1pro. My point is that the sets must have some close similarities.

I have activated ISF day and night via Controlcal, and I was wondering what anyone found as the basic differences between Movie mode on the 5090 mode and the ISF night and day modes.

I have only played around with ISF Day and night for one night now, and I will fiddle a bit more, but my initial impressions so far are that:

Neither ISF mode produces a better picture than Movie mode. They are both naturally "brighter" and require a lower contrast setting. The shadow details are nearly perfect in Movie mode, but there seems to be bit of shadow detail loss in ISF day and night when compared to Movie mode. It is as if the ISF day and night mode share the gamma curves of standard mode. The bright areas are a little too bright and the dark areas a bit too dark.

Have you found this at all, and what are you thoughts on the 9 point gamma controls. I fiddled a bit, but didn't find anything that seemed too useful. Will play more tonite.

Also, there is no Gamma 1, 2, or 3 option in ControlCal?

[Turbe]

You really need to get yourself a meter and use either ColorHCFR or CalMAN. As you wouldn't want to use D-Nice's Elite Settings on your European Model, the same applies with using Settings from the Movie AV Selection on one of the ISFcccc Memories/Modes. It doesn't work.

I know many are fans of sharing Settings so I would suggest that you try some ISFccc Settings that others have Posted (with your same Model if any) until you get yourself a meter and do a proper calibration.

Also, I wouldn't suggest you use Settings between a 5090 and a 5090H either. Do you have the 5090 or the 5090H?

The answer to your last question is no, the ISFccc Interface has the 9-Point Gamma Controls.

[johannesk]

Also, I wouldn't suggest you use Settings between a 5090 and a 5090H either.

Somehow I thought 5090 and 5090H would be very very similar, but the menu system is different and there's the ISF-auto mode etc.

I'm almost ready to calibrate my euro 5090 (not H) with ControlCAL, CalMAN and Chroma5 (which I will profile with e1pro). I'll receive my new MSI Wind laptop next week, and can't wait to get calibrating...

I know it's crazy, but I have a bit a of burning to already go for the KRP-500M. It has the Pure-mode and thinner looks, but now that I'm going to use the ISF-settings, are there any big reasons PQ-wise to switch to KRP? Is the ISF-base (day/night) identical to Pure mode?

Thanks and sorry for being partially ot...

[Turbe]

The 5090H/6090H's ISFccc Interface is the same as the NA 9G Elites (though they may perform different), the 5090/6090 (Non H's) ISFccc Interface is setup more like the 8G's. I'm not sure how the Non-H's ISFccc Interface is performing vs the 9G H's vs the European's 8G's.

The 9G ISFccc Interface does offer some benefits over PURE besides the additional memories (AV Selections) Per Input. Check this link for ISFccc vs Pure (tests/results/reports from NA Elites):

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109

[maximus74]

Hello
i am from romania and i own an pdp-lx5090h
i need some help to calibrate my plasma and what i need for that?
Now i use the movie settings with color space 2 and gamma 2
there is some better settings in av movie?
Please some help
thank you

[maximus74]

Pioneer 9G Elite ISF-Day Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Day
Contrast: 35
Brightness: 1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15
Pure Cinema: Off
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Color Space: 2
CTI: Off
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High -2
G High -1
B High +2
R Low -1
G Low 0
B Low 0

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G -1
C 0
B 0
M -1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0


Pioneer 9G Elite ISF-Night Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 25
Brightness: 0
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15
Pure Cinema: Off
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Color Space: 2
CTI: Off
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High -2
G High 0
B High +2
R Low -1
G Low 0
B Low 0

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G -1
C 0
B 0
M -1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

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Do you can help me with the settings in movie mode that are close with isf night. Thank you

[Turbe]

You can get ControlCAL :) and then use it to enter his ISFccc settings until you decide to get a meter and do a proper DIY calibration yourself... :D

[ego]

And are the settings for 6090H are the same as for 5090H ?

[Turbe]

And are the settings for 6090H are the same as for 5090H ?

I posted a reply in this POST (http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=158).

[romu13]

Pioneer 9G Elite ISF-Day Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Day
Contrast: 35
Brightness: 1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15
Pure Cinema: Off
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Color Space: 2
CTI: Off
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High -2
G High -1
B High +2
R Low -1
G Low 0
B Low 0

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G -1
C 0
B 0
M -1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0


Pioneer 9G Elite ISF-Night Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 25
Brightness: 0
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15
Pure Cinema: Off
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Color Space: 2
CTI: Off
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High -2
G High 0
B High +2
R Low -1
G Low 0
B Low 0

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G -1
C 0
B 0
M -1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

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hello everybody:hiya:

can i take this setting to apllicate at the "cinema setting" to my pioneer 5090h with a blu ray?
thanks;)
be cool with my writing, i'm french:o

[Turbe]

Hi and welcome to CalibrationForums.com :hiya:


can i take this setting to apllicate at the "cinema setting" to my pioneer 5090h with a blu ray?


No, you can't duplicate/use ISFccc Memory Settings in one of the Standard AV Selections (non ISFccc Memories).

You can get ControlCAL and then activate your Display's ISFccc Interface yourself.. :D

[romu13]

Hi and welcome to CalibrationForums.com :hiya:



No, you can't duplicate/use ISFccc Memory Settings in one of the Standard AV Selections (non ISFccc Memories).

You can get ControlCAL and then activate your Display's ISFccc Interface yourself.. :D

hello turbe

thanks very much for your answer;) but where can i recuperate this "ControlCAL"?
On the web? I don't know
thanks

[Turbe]

hello turbe

thanks very much for your answer;) but where can i recuperate this "ControlCAL"?
On the web? I don't know
thanks


You need to Register ControlCAL here:
http://www.controlcal.com/register.html


You need to download ControlCAL's Main Application here:
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1

You need to download the Display Profle Set for your Model here:
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64

[ego]

I used yesterday night ControlCal for my LX-6090H. It was really very easy and big thanks to turbe for his detailed step by step flow how to do it. I have entered the settings of mlaun and the improvement vs my movie mode is more that obvious. As for now I am using ControlCAL only with posted setting, next week I will try with D-Nice settings ( for 151) and will see which one I like more.
Now I have the following question : I am using only 1 imput on my TV ( Blu-ray player + FreeSky are going through HDMI to my AV receiver and them one HDMI from the receiver to the input 1 of the monitor). What I have read in different forums is that for different signals ( depending if it is film or video material) I should use different Purecinema modes ( and also drive modes ) In general the reco is:
- Blu-ray ( HD DVD) => Purecinema - advance and drive mode 1
- for SD DVDs => Purecinema - standard and drive mode mode 1
- for freeview => Purecineam - off and drive mode 2
If not, it is said that you can lose half of the resolution of the original frame.
But in ISF modes, you can't adjust any more Purecinema. For example now in mlaun settings purecinema is off and I can't change it ( when in the reco above I should do it for HD DVD). In D-Nice setting is the oposite - Purecinema is advance and also if I use those settings, it will be an issue with freeview.
Is all that true and how I should proceed ? What will happen if I use the mlaun settings but with purecinema advance for example ?
Any ideas on this topic ? Thanks in advance

[Turbe]

If not, it is said that you can lose half of the resolution of the original frame.
But in ISF modes, you can't adjust any more Purecinema.

many do this:

for BD, use isf Night and set Pure Cinema to ADVANCE.

for other source, use isf Day and set Pure Cinema to OFF or STANDARD (depending on need).

you still have isf Auto available...

:thumbsup:

[ego]

Thanks Turbe. I didn't think about it. I will also try D-Nice setting ( for 151 ) on my LX-6090H and see if there is a difference.

[nd4spd]

@mlaun

Many thanks for the ISFcc settings you posted for 5090H. I have used them with great results. Hope to get a meter soon to refine them on my panel but by eye they seem dead on.

I have found that a contrast setting of 35 is too much for a light controlled environment so I'm using 25 for both memories but with different Purecinema settings.

I also noticed looking at the brightness pattern on DVE HD that on ISFnight the shadow detail seem a bit lower than ISF day in your calibration settings you use brightness at 0, i found a +1 setting to be more correct and even so it appears to have less shadow detail than ISFday. Strange.

[dem1980]

There is only one setting for the 5090H ??
Anybody have done settings for isf-Auto ?
Thank you

[dem1980]

I find mlaun's settings nice, but the darks are too dark. I can't see dark and grey-dark, both are... dark.
There is a way, a setting to have the darks dark and the grey-darks grey-dark ?

[Turbe]

It would be best if you can get your hands on a meter and do a proper callibration.

In regards to isf Auto, copy your isf Day settings and enable Intelligence in isf Auto.

[Nn3m3s1sS]

Only have my LX5090H for a week now. What a fantastic machine. After running in Optimum Mode for a while (which looks very disapointing) I looked for calibrated settings on my European model and used the above settings. Looks much better. Only thing is that everything looks a bit duller now. In Optimum Mode the picture always looked like the sun was shining at a thousand degreed but now everythings looks a bit dark. Is this normal and something I have to get used too? (NOTE: My plasma already run for 200+ hours since it was a showmodel for two months)

[piotr47]

I find mlaun's settings nice, but the darks are too dark. I can't see dark and grey-dark, both are... dark.
There is a way, a setting to have the darks dark and the grey-darks grey-dark ?

The time I understand how my Spyder 3 work, I choose those settings and just put the brightness to +1. I got black blacks and grey dark grey darks. looks fantastic already.

[cerbere]

Thanks for your settings Mlaun but what are the parameters for these settings?

Zoom -> 2 ???
3DYC-> 0 ???
Y-delay -> 0 ???
Mode -> pt by pt ???

[cesarion]

Model: PDP-LX5090H
Player: PANASONIC BD35
Meter: EyeOne 2 LT
Patterns: AVS HD709
Software: ColorHCFR 2.1.0 and ControlCAL 1.41

ISF day
contrast 32/41.2f/l
brigtheness 1
sharppnes -5
color 1
tint 0
space color 2
mode enhacer 1
pure cinema advance
the rest to o
CMS
R-1
Y 1
G 0
C 1
B 1
M 0
temp manual
RH 3
GH-1
BH 8
RL 0
GL 1
BL 0
gamma all 0
585587
586589
588

[cesarion]

Model: PDP-LX5090H
Player: PANASONIC BD35
Meter: EyeOne 2 LT
Patterns: AVS HD709
Software: ColorHCFR 2.1.0 and ControlCAL 1.41

ISF nigth
CONTRAST 24/31.3f/l
BRIGTNESS 0
SHARPNESS-5
color 1
tint 0
space color 2
mode enhacer 1
pure cinema advance
the rest to o
CMS
R-1
Y 1
G 1
C-1
B 0
M 0
temp manual
RH 1
GH-2
BH 9
RL 0
GL 1
BL-1
CAMMA ALL-1
590591
593592
594

[Turbe]

cesarion now has his own Thread here: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=549

:thumbsup: